This week, we step bravely into the world of politics, investigating the reasons it feels more divided than ever, and how we can truly listen to one another.

Sarah and Beth started discussing these issues from opposite sides of the aisle, and while their positions have changed over time, they still believe in the power of dialoguing with those who disagree. In fact, they see their shifting positions on politics and government as a sign of the value of truly hearing one another out.

But listening can be difficult when so many are leading with anger and rage. And those are emotions that signal something deeper beneath the surface than merely strong opinions on policy: “Instead of starting from ‘what's wrong with you’,” says Sarah, it’s better to start with “What happened? How did you get here?”

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Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers host Pantsuit Politics podcast, named by Apple Podcasts as one of the Best Shows of 2021. They are also the authors of Now What? How to Move Forward When We’re Divided (About Basically Everything) (2022) and I Think You’re Wrong (But I’m Listening): A Guide to Grace-Filled Political Conversation (2019).

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