Dr. Melissa Lott and Michael Webber discuss the big themes at COP28, including phasing out vs phasing down fossil fuels and the pledge to triple renewable energy generation. They also explore the importance of diversity in climate solutions, the connection between climate change and health, gender representation at COP events, and the role of AI in the energy sector.
The focus at COP28 is on planning for a clean energy future rather than arguments and discussions, with phase out vs phase down of fossil fuels being a major topic.
The pledge to triple renewable energy generation by 2030 has potential economic and environmental benefits, but faces challenges like non-technical barriers.
The increasing relevance of artificial intelligence in the energy sector is discussed, highlighting its role in improving energy systems, enhancing efficiency, and accelerating clean energy technologies.
Deep dives
The significance of COP28 Climate Talks in Dubai
The podcast episode discusses the overwhelming experience of being at the COP28 Climate Talks in Dubai, with a focus on the importance of global agreements to address climate change and reduce emissions. It highlights the growth of the event, from negotiators at the core to a diverse range of participants including civil society organizations, businesses, and international organizations. The episode acknowledges the challenges and opportunities presented by the event, emphasizing the role of COP in raising awareness and pushing for progress on climate action.
The importance of phase down vs phase out of fossil fuels
The podcast episode delves into the ongoing debate of phase down versus phase out of fossil fuels. It explores the significance of using the term 'unabated' in relation to fossil fuels, emphasizing the need to capture emissions rather than completely eliminating the use of fossil fuels. The discussions highlight the complexity and importance of engaging fossil fuel producers in the transition towards cleaner energy sources and the potential role of technologies like carbon capture. The episode addresses the finer nuances of the language used in global climate negotiations and how it can impact the future of energy systems.
The push for tripling renewable power generation by 2030
The podcast episode highlights the goal and ambition of tripling renewable power generation capacity by 2030. It explores the potential of renewable energy to transform the global power generation mix and reduce greenhouse gas emissions. The discussions acknowledge the challenges associated with achieving this goal, including non-technical barriers and supply chain issues. It also recognizes the economic and environmental benefits of scaling up renewable energy and the need to expand access to clean energy in developing regions.
The emergence of artificial intelligence (AI) in the energy sector
The podcast episode spotlights the increasing relevance of artificial intelligence (AI) in the energy sector. It discusses how AI can contribute to improving energy systems, enhancing energy efficiency, and accelerating clean energy technologies. The conversations touch upon the role of AI in managing energy demand and its potential to revolutionize education and its subsequent impact on energy dynamics. The episode acknowledges the rapid advancements in AI technology and how it can shape the future of the energy industry.
The importance of gender representation and youth engagement
The podcast episode touches on the topics of gender representation and youth engagement at COP28. It highlights the need for greater gender balance in climate negotiations and the participation of young voices in shaping climate action. The discussions recognize the efforts made to address these gaps, such as providing translation services and promoting youth involvement. The episode emphasizes the significance of diverse perspectives, including those of women and young people, in driving effective and equitable climate solutions.
At the halfway point of COP28 the focus is still on fossil fuel abatement.
Ed Crooks is joined by Dr Melissa Lott, Director of Research at Columbia University’s Center on Global Energy Policy and Professor at the Climate School, and Michael Webber, the McKetta Centennial Energy Chair at the University of Texas. Together they examine the biggest themes that are dominating debate at COP28. The arguments and discussions are still going on, but as Melissa says, they’re not at the core of what’s happening at this year’s summit. The planning for a clean energy future is the key focus for a diverse collection of energy leaders and global citizens.
Phase out vs phase down is still the big topic, and the team give their take on the future of fossil fuels. The pledge to triple renewable energy generation is also put under the microscope. What does it mean for financing in the energy transition?