In the new Talkhouse Music podcast, underground art-hardcore-metal meets classic '80s hair metal: Liam Wilson of the Dillinger Escape Plan chats with Kip Winger of Winger. They're two very different musicians from two very different generations, but they find plenty of common ground: how to deal with being pigeonholed, how to be a mature band and still be exciting, great stories about how their bands started, and Liam introduces Kip to the concept of math metal. It's a conversation that only two musicians could have. And for more musicians talking music, visit Talkhouse music at music.thetalkhouse.com