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Schemes and Scam Inc. in Southeast Asia

Mar 6, 2025
In this engaging discussion, Sue-Lin Wong, a Southeast Asia correspondent for The Economist and an expert on China's influence in the region, dives into the dark world of transnational crime. She examines robust scamming networks flourishing amid economic despair, especially in Myanmar and Thailand. Sue-Lin highlights the urgent need for international cooperation to combat these issues. Additionally, she explores how Southeast Asian nations navigate the strategies of superpowers like the U.S. and China, revealing a complex geopolitical landscape defined by corruption and resilience.
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  • China's growing influence in Southeast Asia exemplifies a strategic mix of economic initiatives and military ambitions aimed at regional dominance.
  • The rise of transnational crime, particularly online scams, highlights the urgent need for enhanced regional cooperation and effective crime prevention strategies in Southeast Asia.

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The Evolution of China's Influence in Southeast Asia

China's involvement in Southeast Asia has intensified recently, showing a mix of both hard and soft power. This has manifested through the increasing presence of Chinese businesses and a growing diaspora, as well as state-led initiatives. An example includes the rise of Mi Shue, a popular milk tea and ice cream brand from China, which has become a significant player in the Southeast Asian market. Through these economic endeavors, China is positioned as a viable alternative for nations traditionally leaning towards U.S. influence, contributing to a multifaceted approach in the region.

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