On today’s FRESH NEW Stand Up for the Truth podcast, host Dave Wager talks with Jeremy Lundgren, president of Nicolet Bible Institute and author of The Pursuit of Safety: A Theology of Danger, Risk, and Security. Together, they unpack what it really means to live safely in a world that doesn’t guarantee it. From kids on playground slides to airline mechanics and foolproof machines, the conversation highlights how modern culture often confuses safety with control. Jeremy explains that true security begins with obedience to God. Drawing from Proverbs 19:16 and real-world examples, he shows that safety isn’t about eliminating risk but about walking in wisdom and purpose.

Dave and Jeremy also reflect on how we process fear, trust, and mortality in a fallen world. Whether it’s cancer, car accidents, or uncertainty about the future, the conversation points listeners to the God who holds all things together. Jeremy emphasizes the difference between existing and truly living. Understanding our limitations helps us trust God’s plan. From medieval medicine to modern technology, this episode explores how spiritual maturity, godly counsel, and biblical perspective help believers navigate danger without losing their sense of mission.

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Jeremy Lundgren: The Pursuit of Safety and the Illusion of Control