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Brett: [00:00:00] [00:00:00]

[00:00:06] this week’s guest is Tris Hussey, a freelance content marketer. How’s it going, Tris?

[00:00:12] Tris: [00:00:12] Brett, It’s great. And we were just talking last week about stuff. So it’s, it’s an honor to be on this podcast.

[00:00:18] Brett: [00:00:18] that the,

[00:00:18] Tris: [00:00:18] So flattered.

[00:00:19] Brett: [00:00:19] the easiest way to get on systematic is to have me on your podcast first.

[00:00:24] Tris: [00:00:24] All right. So then if I want to be on again, do I have to have you on again? Which would be fine, but

[00:00:30] Brett: [00:00:30] I don’t think it works twice.

[00:00:31] Tris: [00:00:31] no. Okay.Ok.

[00:00:33] Brett: [00:00:33] you have to wait for the rotation, come back around. Like after I took a year off of systematic and then. Since starting it back up. Most of my guests have been people that were on like five, six years ago and like catching up with them. But, uh, it turns out you’re okay.

[00:00:52] So I, I feel like we’ve known each other in a digital sense for a long time. And I had it in my head in my head that you had actually [00:01:00] been on systematic before, but you haven’t.

[00:01:02] Tris: [00:01:02] But I haven’t. No, but we have known each other in the digital sense for a very, I think probably almost 10 years.

[00:01:08] Brett: [00:01:08] How did we, how did we first connect?

[00:01:10] Tris: [00:01:10] Oh, it was, I think it was, well, I was still a professional blogger and tech journalist and doing a lot of writing and I think I, I might’ve stumbled on nvALT. And, uh, then quickly saw Marked, the first version came out and scoop that up in a heartbeat. And then when Marked 2 came out, I grabbed that and then I’ve just kind of followed the stuff you do.

[00:01:39] Not that I understand all of it because when you and Christina Warren were talking in your last overtired episodes, like, wow, I have no idea what they’re talking about, but it sounds so cool. I wish I could do those things.

[00:01:52] Brett: [00:01:52] Yeah. That episode, like w our audience is by and large super nerdy. But then [00:02:00] again, when I say things like that, I realize I work off of assumptions. And we don’t get a lot of like data on who actually listens to the show other than like random tweets. So, you know what? I don’t even know what my, my primary demographic for this show is.

[00:02:18]Tris: [00:02:18] I would say humans who are interested in learning new. Things, if the, if, if the episodes that I’ve seen

[00:02:25] are any indication. Yeah.

[00:02:28] Brett: [00:02:28] Curious humans. That’s that’s my, that’s my target demo.

[00:02:32] Tris: [00:02:32] Curious humans, they’re, they’re all usually the most fun humans. So

[00:02:36] Brett: [00:02:36] So what, uh, how do you define content marketing?

[00:02:40]Tris: [00:02:40] Uh, I, I think it is the, the teenage version. Of professional blogging, which means you’re, you’re creating content for a business to help them meet some kind of, [00:03:00] some kind of business goal. Whether it’s more leads or more app downloads or just thought leadership in general. Um, any, any of those things. And I really do it.

[00:03:12] It did come right out of professional blogging. When I’m asked about that as well, I’ve been content marketing for 16 years and people look at me or, you know, the raised eyebrow goes up. It’s like, well, I know it wasn’t called that back then, but that’s what it was when we were business blogging. It really was, it was content marketing.

[00:03:27] We just didn’t realize it yet.

[00:03:29] Brett: [00:03:29] So w w what is teenage version mean?

[00:03:32] Tris: [00:03:32] It means we still have a lot to learn. And I think we have a lot of angst. Um, yeah, I think content marketing is, it’s kind of, maybe we’re almost ready to graduate from high school as in content marketing, but I don’t think we’ve hit our stride. And I think there’s a lot of experimentation going on, which is great, which is what all your teenage years are about.

[00:03:57] Um, there’s certainly the emo crowd in [00:04:00] the, in the, the, the popular kids crowd and, uh, the, you know, the drama and band group in, in the geeks, in, in content marketing who are. Seeing where this is going to go. Cause I think it’s too early to really pigeonhole it because we’re still figuring out what really the best things are.

[00:04:23] Because not that long ago, people only thought about content marketing, I think as blogging. And they didn’t look at the whole picture, which is like podcasting and audio, um, and webinars and those expanded versions, or even, you know, posting on LinkedIn, um, and other social media, like people didn’t think they thought, uh, early on, you know, Twitter, you know, like I’m going to share this on Twitter.

[00:04:50] And it’s not really part of my content marketing, but it is, it all has to be part of the same story. The story has to be all part of the same thing. So we’re still figuring it out. And I think once, you know, we, we [00:05:00] finished high school, we’re getting into college and we, uh, go into our, maybe our, our philosophical phase.

[00:05:09] Right. We’re going to hang it around drinking, um, obscure imported beer or smoking clove cigarettes. And, uh, talking deep thoughts about the true meaning of content, then we’re going to kind of mature and be… Have things figured out because I think everyone’s still figuring stuff out, like where, you know, how, what metrics to measure and how to measure them and what are important, what are just the vanity metrics versus actual metrics, you things that things that we don’t.

[00:05:42] We don’t really, if you look at the digital marketing world and ads, that’s pretty mature. I mean, we’ve been doing it since the late nineties. I mean, we’ve, we figured that one out pretty well, but content I think is still evolving.

[00:05:54] Brett: [00:05:54] Do you, if you had to pick one medium that you thought [00:06:00] if a client could only afford to hire you for one medium, is, is it still blogging? That’s kind of the primary, uh, most effective.

[00:06:09] Tris: [00:06:09] Yeah, I think so because it has the most potential to spin off into, in support other things. So if you have a really good solid blog and you. W, uh, set up a good story. What’s your brand story and what are the value propositions that are going to connect with your customers? Then as you expand into, let’s say you wanted to start a podcast or you want to do a video series or webinars.

[00:06:33] That blog is a good foundation that you can then use to promote. And reuse the other parts of, of your content. So if you, if you can, only, if you can only hire me for one thing, uh, it, it would be blogging. It would be for writing. Absolutely.

[00:06:51] Brett: [00:06:51] To you, uh, do you find email marketing is, is email marketing, part of, uh, what you do part of what you provide.

[00:06:59] Tris: [00:06:59] Um, [00:07:00] I would, yes, I guess, yes, because I would think of it as a newsletters. Um, And I see newsletters as an extension of blogging and as an extension of content, it’s just the same things that you can write about in your, in a blog, um, in a, in, in a format that everyone just gets. I mean, literally right.

[00:07:23] Everyone gets email manners and they understand it. So yeah, if someone is going it’s I think part of any blog strategy, any content marketing strategy I do, I would absolutely say all right now, how do you have a list of people that you can email and they go, well, yeah, we’ve got customers, so they go, okay, cool.

[00:07:42] We’re going to start emailing them a blog, the blog posts, and maybe some curated links. If they’re. You know, if the, if the blog posts seem a little thin or they’re not publishing very regularly. Yeah, absolutely. I think that’s part of this. This growing up is seeing this entire universe as being connected so [00:08:00] that you can repurpose and reuse and re-enhance all of your content.

[00:08:05] Just add ad infinitum or maybe ad nauseum, depending how, how it is.

[00:08:11]Brett: [00:08:11] trying to strike a balance myself. Like I have as an independent developer, I have to market all my own apps and I’m good at marketing stuff for other people. If you ask me to put together an advertising plan, Do market buys, uh, come up with a voice, come up with a strategy, even come up with jingles. Like I can do all that for someone else, but doing it for myself has been, uh, I would much rather be coding than marketing.

[00:08:38] Um, but I’ve started doing email newsletters and I

[00:08:43] Tris: [00:08:43] I love, I read it this morning.

[00:08:45] Brett: [00:08:45] I have fewer people on my mailing list than I have, like RSS subscribers, but I see a bigger financial impact from the email newsletters than I do from blogging, which is to meI

[00:09:00] [00:09:00] Tris: [00:09:00] think it there I think email newsletters got a really bad rap And we as geeks really loved RSS I can’t remember I think I haven’t opened up an RSS reader in over a year at least And I used to be hardcore like like like a thousand feets suds, subscribed because that was my job I was a professional blogger and I needed to be like get tons of information and I don’t do it anymore And I rely on about six newsletters that I read Beginning to end every day And I think email has really come back because people are realizing they live in their email already And if you write a nice tight useful newsletter that someone can read on their phone And then you know Mark as unread or pinned or whatever So they they check it back when they get to their desk there’s a tremendous amount of value Um when in that so I’m not [00:10:00] surprised at all that the people who are reading your newsletter brighter Brettpeople who really want to know about what you’re doing And they’re most engaged like this morning I you you read about the the very thing we talked about last week which was Hey did you know Marked and Marked can natively read Mind map files from these two really popular mind-map tools MindNode and iThoughts 10 or is it X

[00:10:24] Brett: [00:10:24] I believe it’s X

[00:10:26] Tris: [00:10:26] X And you put that in your newsletter And I immediately shared it because it was compelling and it was interesting

[00:10:33] Brett: [00:10:33] you’ve shared it on LinkedIn which leads to a whole other line of questioning

[00:10:38] Tris: [00:10:38] Yeah

[00:10:38] Brett: [00:10:38] So I have known people who take LinkedIn very seriously In most circles that I run in LinkedIn is kind of considered a you you you have a LinkedIn account because some employers expect you to but people don’t use it much And the only people I’ve ever known who were really active on it [00:11:00] were people who were doing uh content marketing So is that do you have like a LinkedIn community How many are there like enough followers that it’s a like a viable uh marketing platform for you

[00:11:17] Tris: [00:11:17] It is And uh my my my journey with LinkedIn is actually really interesting I was an early early Starter in LinkedIn I think I joined in like 2004 when it was brand new and when they’re kind of their guideline was you know don’t you you connect to people you actually know in real life

[00:11:34] Brett: [00:11:34] Right And you had to like verify or they had to verify that they knew you and everything before

[00:11:39] you could

[00:11:39] connect Yeah

[00:11:40] Tris: [00:11:40] exactly That whole thing And then one day by accident they had one of these features like you can upload your contacts list

[00:11:47] Brett: [00:11:47] I did that accidentally too

[00:11:49] Tris: [00:11:49] and then send out all these invites And I was in I was human. I was so embarrassed. But then the interesting thing was a lot of those people who I never would have had the guts to ask, actually accepted [00:12:00] the connection request.

[00:12:01]And then I’ve kind of let LinkedIn go just really for when I needed to get a job. Um, but recently. Uh, I, in that, I guess since I started getting back into freelancing a little more towards the fall, um, I would say actually it started the pandemic. Was when I really started spending more time on LinkedIn, really doubled down in January.

[00:12:28] And I’m on there every day, several times a day. And I do have enough people in my network that I’ve gotten business from LinkedIn. And I think it’s a really growing community, not just of content marketers, but everyone who wants to share new and interesting things with people. So, yeah, but it is like, I was a huge Twitter person for years and years and years and made the mistake.

[00:12:56] I think a lot of, a lot of people made was I started following tons of people and my feed [00:13:00] got really noisy. And then I got to the point where I couldn’t care less and, um, and I just stopped, stopped interacting with it. You know, I, I, I will get a little ping when it’s like someone at mentions me. I’m like, Oh, that’s cool.

[00:13:17] But that happened I mean, that happens so rarely now it’s of course it’s, you know, it’s a double-edged sword or chicken egg thing, whatever you want. However you want to put it that, um, if I’m not on there interacting, of course, no one’s gonna interact with me, but I really like LinkedIn. Um, and I think there’s, there’s a whole community of people who see LinkedIn as a really great extension of content marketing.

[00:13:39] And one thing I started doing was I was posting things on LinkedIn. And you have, you don’t have a lot of space, um, to do stuff you only have, I think like 500, uh, it seems like only 500 characters, but it’s, it’s gotta be more than that, but it’s not a lot. And I would spend time writing them and then realized, you know, that would be a decent enough blog posts just as it is.

[00:13:58] And I would copy it [00:14:00] into my blog and just paste it there. And it was, it was, it was weird to realize I was posting on LinkedIn first and then copying it and putting it on my blog. And now I’m seeing people who I’m reading their LinkedIn posts and it shows up the next day as part of their email newsletter.

[00:14:15]And so this is, this was a gap like that. Teenage joint, going into college content marketing. We’re now seeing as like, look, it’s not just one thing, you connect all the dots and it gets re you hit all of all the audiences in different ways.

[00:14:30] Brett: [00:14:30] Interesting. I, uh, will LinkedIn tell me when I joined? Cause I feel like it was. The, the profile photo that I have on LinkedIn is from the early two thousands. So I must have been an early adopter.

[00:14:48] Tris: [00:14:48] I don’t know. I haven’t looked at one when I joined LinkedIn.

[00:14:51] Brett: [00:14:51] don’t see an easy way to see that, but anyway,

[00:14:54] Tris: [00:14:54] But anyway, I would, I would check, but my, my mechanical keyboard is so clacky that you would have to mute me [00:15:00] and go be like, Oh, Tris, seriously,

[00:15:02] Brett: [00:15:02] I’ve been, I’ve been typing. I had to type my, uh, 2FA password or like code to get into LinkedIn. And I only have my mechanical keyboard hooked up, so I very slowly pressed the keys. So they wouldn’t click. Um,

[00:15:17]Tris: [00:15:17] like here I have to type this whole household. Can you type.

[00:15:21] Brett: [00:15:21] But my keyboard with the loud blue switches is in need of soldering, which is what I’m doing after this conversation. Uh, so I’m using the Brown switches right now, which is a little better for podcasting.

[00:15:33] Tris: [00:15:33] Okay. See, soldering is something I need to learn. Cause I, my blue Yeti, my original one, I got well over 10 years ago, um, suffered from a bout of gravitational deceleration disease.

[00:15:45]Brett: [00:15:45] I don’t know what that means.

[00:15:48] Tris: [00:15:48] yeah, it fell off a desk,

[00:15:50] Brett: [00:15:50] If I had to guess that was what I was going to guess.

[00:15:53] Tris: [00:15:53] Yeah, it fell off a desk. My, one of my wife’s voice students accidentally pulled it off the music stand and it hit the floor and it dented the grill.

[00:15:59] And [00:16:00] then a couple days later, the little USB plug broke off inside and it’s a two door it’s like $2 and 50 cent Canadian piece. And I could easily fix it if I knew how to solder. So I’m probably gonna have to either pay for someone to solder it or beg someone I know to solder it.

[00:16:17] Brett: [00:16:17] I haven’t soldered since I was in high school, I used to like take apart police scanners and do crazy things with them. But, uh, Yeah, I, I got really good at welding, so I’m hoping my welding skills translate back to soldering I don’t think they’re at all related I’m going to be um I’m going to be making a mess and I hope I don’t destroy this keyboard but

[00:16:40] Tris: [00:16:40] Yourself Yeah I think I learned welding in middle school grade seven metal shop I learned how to weld and I haven’t done it since

[00:16:48] Brett: [00:16:48] Uh yeah I I started welding in college uh when I was at art art school uh I did a whole 3d Uh sculpture [00:17:00] curriculum And I got really into like I found like uh settling welding with just like running long beads and making like seamless welds And I got just super it was cathartic for me just to put on the goggles and just Push a bead you know for like a three-foot seam and just make it perfectly smooth Uh like I I loved it It was fun

[00:17:27] Tris: [00:17:27] I would say I can I can relate to that I can absolutely relate to that feeling Um when when I I guess probably when I’m cooking

[00:17:36] Brett: [00:17:36] Yeah Yeah I

[00:17:37] Tris: [00:17:37] and and and like I’ve I’ve perfectly diced the onion And it’s just like Oh they’re all even there’s no blood Not that I cut myself very often but you know

[00:17:48] Brett: [00:17:48] I didn’t So I guess when I first started getting into cooking which was a few years back now um my knife handling skills were just awful And I [00:18:00] was going through like a box of band-aids a week

[00:18:03] just

[00:18:04] blood everywhere I ended up buying You ever heard of like liquid bandage like Like I had to keep that on hand for the really deep cuts It’s basically like putting super glue on your cuts

[00:18:15] Tris: [00:18:15] It is what super glue was invented for was wound closing.

[00:18:18] Brett: [00:18:18] Yeah, and I feel like liquid bandage is just slightly less toxic than super glue. Um, but anyway, I, uh, I started, I watched some YouTube videos. I read some books on just basic knife handling and I got really good at it for a couple years there.

[00:18:35] I never cut myself once, but then I figured out how to do the real fast chopping and I am. Good at it, but I also have shaky hands and every once in a while, like every like 10th chap, chap, chap, chap, chap, I’ll stutter and lift the blade too high. So I’ve been slicing off the middle, [00:19:00] middle segment of my middle finger, which is what I use as the guard. And I’ve been just slicing these neat little, uh, chunks of skin off of it. So I, I permanently have a bandaid on my middle finger these days. I don’t know when I got bad again, but I did.

[00:19:19]Tris: [00:19:19] As soon as you said, and I lift the knife up, it’s like, Oh yeah. Yup. That is my biggest fear. You got the claw. I got a good I’m working, I’ve been working on my claw. And that’s the thing I’m most afraid of is, is doing is, is lobbing off part of my finger. But on the plus side, you know, if at least you’re lopping parts of your knuckle off cleanly, your knife is sharp.

[00:19:40] I mean, there’s you look at it that way.

[00:19:42] Brett: [00:19:42] Yeah, you know? Yeah. Linings. Um, so anyway, you mentioned mind mapping and that’s a, that’s a topic I love, uh, we talked about it on your podcast briefly, but then your next guest was going to be Chuck fry, who is well known for [00:20:00] his, uh, mind mapping prowess. How did that conversation go?

[00:20:04]Tris: [00:20:04] Besides the end that I totally screwed up. It was great. And. It was, it was great to be able to finally talk with Chuck because like you he’s, you know, we’ve known each other digitally for 10 years. And the thing that, that Chuck is so fantastic about, and he just wrote an ebook about mind mapping for writing books is the idea of taking mind, mapping into directions where you never thought it would go.

[00:20:31] Things like mapping for project management. Wow. Oh, okay. Hold on. Tell, tell me more about this. I’m confused. Cause I would usually just do it as a brain dump and if that would be it, or, um, when I learned how to originally, you know, export mine manager, mind maps to word outlines, and that was, that was what a book chapter would become.

[00:20:52] Um, those were, that was cool, but he’s taking, he takes it to a whole nother level of how you organize [00:21:00] thoughts and ideas and rearrange them and just let things flow that is truly, um, truly brilliant and made me like, okay, I gotta, I gotta get back into doing much more mind mapping. And in fact, the next post I wrote for a client, I mind map the outline first and it’s like, well, okay, well that was a lot less painful than usual.

[00:21:21]Brett: [00:21:21] And, and like you said, I wrote about this, uh, just on my blog just yesterday. But, uh, I start, if it’s going to be like a four paragraph quick hit post it, I don’t mind map it, but if it’s going to have more than one, like sub-headline in it. If it’s going to be a longer piece, I always start writing with a mind map.

[00:21:44] I start my projects with mind maps too

[00:21:47] Tris: [00:21:47] Well as you mentioned it um I’m working with a coach and he gave me this assignment to develop a project plan for how I’ve envisioned myself to be successful as as a as a coach should [00:22:00] And uh he was like well he just do it in word or docs pages was like, and then we had our talk and then I talked with Chuck, like, no, no, no, no, no.

[00:22:10] This is going to be a mind map and I’m going to like unleash the whole power of mind manager has Gantt charts and, you know, dependencies and all of this. It’s like, if I’m going to do this, let’s just do it and do it really well. So, uh, just before we call you, call that’s what I was doing. I was setting up the project in my mindmanager.

[00:22:33] Brett: [00:22:33] I, uh, I decided quite a while ago that mind-mapping just wasn’t for everybody, because I would talk to people who heard, who, who would say they had tried it and it just didn’t click for them. And I thought. Maybe it has to do with my ADHD. Maybe I just think better in nonlinear formats. Uh, but then there have been people who have started off saying they didn’t like it.

[00:22:57] They’ve read some of like how I use them [00:23:00] and decided they actually love mind maps. So do you think, do you think there are people who just can’t work in a mind map?

[00:23:10] Tris: [00:23:10] I think so, because I think it, it, it has this weird, you know, you have to get used to the, depending on if the default structure is like that clockwise, right. You start with the central theme and then it goes clockwise, clockwise around in it. And I, and I know. I thought everyone kind of just knew about mind maps, especially in technology.

[00:23:28] And I would show someone it’s like, well, here’s my mind map of this project. And it’s like, how do I read this? So please just read it clockwise. Oh, I still don’t get it. I think it’s maybe just that the idea of. Non it is maybe the non-linearity of mind maps, but I think it’s just maybe the visual aspect.

[00:23:47] I think people maybe don’t take a visual, visual representation of ideas as seriously.

[00:23:54] Brett: [00:23:54] As an

[00:23:55] Tris: [00:23:55] Um, as an outline,

[00:23:56] Brett: [00:23:56] the same.

[00:23:57] Tris: [00:23:57] they’re technically the same. The, the one [00:24:00] mind map tool that I think is the weirdest. I don’t know if you’ve ever tried Scappel by the folks who make um Scrivener And I loved using that for things where I was doing a project plan or whatever And I actually didn’t want things can all the things connected by default And wanted a lot of like floating globs of information and people got that. And that’s that’s, I think that’s applying the idea of mind mapping. Like this is how my brain thinks, but I have to play to my audience

[00:24:28] Brett: [00:24:28] just to be nitpicky, Scappel is a concept map, which is a different, it’s similar to a mind map, but it, it does not follow the idea of a central node and then the clockwise, uh, child nodes. It has a far more free flowing structure where you can have multiple floating nodes and everything just, it’s more of a brain dump to me.

[00:24:53] And I find concept maps. I can’t work with those.

[00:24:57]Tris: [00:24:57] Oh, yeah, it took me, [00:25:00] um, several tries just to get a good feel for how to use scalpel and when, and if I were like, I would not use Scapple outline a, um, a project. Or a book or an article? No, not at all. It was really good when I had to do something like I had to visually represent how we were, how I was restructuring the websites for my last gig, because I could like, okay, this, this big blob.

[00:25:29] Is is the, is the corporate site in this big blog is one product and this other blog is another product, et cetera, and so forth. Um, because it works in that completely disconnected concept, mapped world. But yeah, for a lot of stuff, it’s just way to me, it’s way too scattered. I want, when I hit return to connect to something that’s connected to the thought and move it around

[00:25:54] Brett: [00:25:54] And in most mind-mapping apps uh you can create what are called floating topics which [00:26:00] become like entirely separate central nodes disconnected from the center center node And you can you can use that to create like basically multiple mind maps in one page And that I can work with that That’s a clear delineation for me I can I can do that part of it

[00:26:19] Tris: [00:26:19] Yeah I do I do a lot of floating Sometimes I create them by accident oh maybe idea. Chuck talks about that actually in his, when you’re like you’re riffing on, on fiction and you kind of get this weird plot twist or side plot, pull it off as a floating topic. So you can, you doesn’t mess up the rest of your outline, but you can kind of like set it aside and it’s like, okay, this is important.

[00:26:39] Maybe it will be something else later

[00:26:41] Brett: [00:26:41] Have you ever used Curio?

[00:26:44] Tris: [00:26:44] No, I haven’t.

[00:26:46] Brett: [00:26:46] you should check it out

[00:26:48] Tris: [00:26:48] Is it Curio with a C or a K.

[00:26:50] Brett: [00:26:50] See.

[00:26:51]Tris: [00:26:51] You never know these days, everyone’s spelling things weird.

[00:26:55] Brett: [00:26:55] Um, yeah, no, it’s, uh, it’s kind of a, it’s an all purpose [00:27:00] brainstorming project management app. It has, uh, mind maps built in, but mind maps become part of a larger space they’re called spaces. And, uh, you can have a freeform notes. You can have clipped web pages. You can have outlines. You can have mind maps and they can all connect to each other in different ways.

[00:27:21] And it’s, uh, it’s, uh, a total, uh, idea board kind of space where everything can, you can move things around and position where you want, but then you can add all of those things like MindManager has, you can have like resource allocations and due dates and. And, and then it gives you like an overview of like, if you’re using it for project management, you can get an overview of all of the resources allocated all of the due dates across all of the different spaces and everything.

[00:27:50] It’s a lot, it’s a huge app that you could easily say is, um, feature bloated, but it [00:28:00] constantly thrills and amazes me with what it can do.

[00:28:03] Tris: [00:28:03] All right, I’m going to have to try it, but then I’m going to get it. I’m then I’m going to get into. Another tool that I decide to use. And like, it seems like every, every, every few months I go through which markdown editor do, I like the best at this moment in time rotate through, rotate through all of them, you know?

[00:28:22] Multi multi Mark down. And, you know, you’re, you’re, you know, nvUltra, Ulysses, just by word, as you know, and that’s why they all have different, really cool things about them. Um, and now, now I have like three mind map apps. Now on my machine and now Curio is going to be the fourth. I was like, Oh God, which one do I settle down and learn?

[00:28:45] Because I’m one of those people that like, I have to pick a pro pickup, pick one app to do a thing and not in trying not to waiver.

[00:28:57] Brett: [00:28:57] Well, if you’re curious, my, [00:29:00] my picks for these two topics are multi markdown composer, and I thought.

[00:29:06]Tris: [00:29:06] I figured that I figured both of those from our last company, like multi markdown composer was I think that might’ve been the first one I bought. That was really the first one I bought and enjoyed it. And I, but I literally tried all of them. literally bought every single markdown editor available at one point or another to just to try all of them and how they just do different things Like what happens when you drag from Chrome or Safari into your editor what happens Um

[00:29:36] Brett: [00:29:36] Or when you drag an image in or when you paste it when you when you select texts and paste the ink does it overwrite it or does it turn it into a link for you

[00:29:44] Tris: [00:29:44] Yeah exactly exactly And like one thing I I’ve been using bear Uh a little bit And the thing I liked the most about it is that Bear, the Bear extension Um either in Firefox and Safari or Chrome is I use it to capture [00:30:00] entire webpages but as markdown which is brilliant I mean it’s like that makes my life so much easier to manipulate text Um when I say wanted to have an archive of something where someone asked me Hey we really need you to edit this This old post instead of trying to copy and paste it out of WordPress or wherever web browser pulling it into bear then I have it as Markdown and I can actually work with it in a sane fashion

[00:30:26] Brett: [00:30:26] So webpage to Mark down has been an obsession of mine for a long time Like I I built I don’t know if you know this but if you hold down option while dragging a web URL to the notes list it will create a note That’s a Mark down version of that webpage

[00:30:44] Tris: [00:30:44] No way

[00:30:47] Brett: [00:30:47] and. And I built an app called gather that, uh, takes you, it just pops up a little HUD with, uh, a field where you paste in a URL and it does the markdown conversion for you.

[00:31:00] [00:30:59] Um, but the one that I use most often, well, and then I built Marky, uh, heck yes, markdown.com, which is currently broken, but it was a web API that you could send. You could create like bookmarklets or use it in shortcut workflows and it would do that kind of conversion for you. Uh, but what I use these days is pop clip.

[00:31:22] I wrote an extension called web MD, uh, trademark and it’s web markdown. Uh, I just thought web MD would be funny and hope. I didn’t hope I didn’t get sued.

[00:31:34] Tris: [00:31:34] Yeah, I was going to say web MD is Hmm. Um, that seems to have something to do with health, but okay. W w we’ll we’ll go with this. Yeah.

[00:31:41] Brett: [00:31:41] But, uh, but you can select any text on a webpage and then in pop clip, you just click the web MD button and it puts a Mark down version of just the selected text in your clipboard. It’s it works almost perfectly every time.

[00:31:57] Tris: [00:31:57] All right. See, this is the thing I was looking at some of [00:32:00] the, uh, the apps that have kind of let go by the wayside. Um, and one of them was a type it for me, I had a bunch of different clipboard manager, a clipboard managers, so I could have. Different, you know, five or six clipboards. And I could, I still missed that.

[00:32:15] It’s like, Oh man, I can only copy and paste one thing at a time. Why don’t I just get one of the clipboard managers again. Oh yeah. Because my Mac so old now that I really, I don’t know if I could, it could handle it, but that’s

[00:32:30] Brett: [00:32:30] but as a, as a freelancer, you get to write off a new Mac. So one of these days,

[00:32:36] Tris: [00:32:36] One of these days, I will, I will. That’s on the list of a need. I need a new Mac. I mean, I will say I got this Mac book air probably about

[00:32:47]nine, 10 years ago. Maybe a little, maybe a little less, maybe eight years ago. And it’s still doing okay. Doin’ okay. Knock on wood,

[00:32:58] Brett: [00:32:58] Yeah, I can’t, I [00:33:00] can’t do 10 years old. Even, even when I can’t afford it, I find ways to make sure I have a Mac that’s no, no, no. Older than five years old.

[00:33:08]Tris: [00:33:08] Oh no, I I’m. I’m I know this one is, is, you know, reaching the end of its usable life though. I was really surprised it did, um, load the latest OS 10, or I guess it’s OS 11,

[00:33:22] Brett: [00:33:22] Yeah, that’s a, that’s a, for someone who’s worked in, uh, in. Professional blogging for long enough, you get a very used to the kind of paradigms of OS naming and breaking the OP 10 habit when they change it to just be macOS and we were all used to writing O S space X every time then I had to go through and retag all of my blog posts that were tagged that were tagged Mac OSX to macOS

[00:33:51] Tris: [00:33:51] and then they ran out of big cats. So, and they had so then we’re going to call things stuff in California … sure. [00:34:00] Whatever. Okay.

[00:34:01] Brett: [00:34:01] You’re in Canada, right?

[00:34:03] Tris: [00:34:03] I am. I am, um, outside of Vancouver, BC,

[00:34:06] Brett: [00:34:06] Nice. Is it there

[00:34:09] Tris: [00:34:09] um funny you should say spring usually comes really early to Vancouver This area is the most annoying part of Canada to the rest of Canadians because usually our flowers come up in February

[00:34:21] Brett: [00:34:21] Oh wow

[00:34:22] Tris: [00:34:22] Right with like daffodils and crocuses are all up in February and tulips start soon on And we have we’re we’re switching out to our spring jackets by the beginning of March It’s been a very long winter So it was it was um we had frost yesterday so let’s see Um about 32 maybe 30 Is what it got down to in Fahrenheit So it was like minus one here and this morning uh it was about one centigrade And then when I took the dog out just before we sat down it was a whopping six So it’s like in the forties Fahrenheit I think so spring has been a little laggy [00:35:00] Uh I don’t know maybe it’s afraid of social you know it needs to have more social distancing from winter I don’t know But

[00:35:06] Brett: [00:35:06] It sounds like experiencing very similar weather right now. I mean, I’m in Minnesota, not that far off. It’s 43 degrees.

[00:35:15] Tris: [00:35:15] So, but see that one, I would expect that from Minnesota this time of year, cause I spent seven years in, you know, six, seven years in Maine going to school. And I know it’s mud, it’s mud season there in Maine, which is, you know, all the snow is melting and, and anything, any road that is not made out of tar is now soup.

[00:35:34] And I would be, I would expect that for here. I I’m hoping I was thinking I would be in a t-shirt maybe not shorts yet, but you know, we’d be able to go to the park without a coat.

[00:35:44] Brett: [00:35:44] So, this is, this is how it works. When you have, uh, an interview with an ADHD podcaster, you go from talking about, I don’t even remember where this conversation started, but I know it ended up talking about the weather. Which is usually how my conversations [00:36:00] begin. So I guess it was bound to get there eventually.

[00:36:04] Tris: [00:36:04] Yeah, of course.

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[00:38:18] and that brings us to our top three picks. Uh, what do you have for me?

[00:38:23] Tris: [00:38:23] Okay. Well the, the one thing that my number one is I love Snowpiercer on Netflix. Um, have you, have you watched

[00:38:31] Brett: [00:38:31] So I, I have not watched the show. I, I was not a fan of the movie, but I had heard that the show was something quite different.

[00:38:40] Tris: [00:38:40] Very different. Very very different. Um, the only, I think the only similarities between the movie, um, and the show is very long train scientists thought we could cure global warming by doing something stupid with the atmosphere. Oops, freeze [00:39:00] entire planet. Rich person makes train circles, globe people who didn’t have tickets take over the back of the car back of the train.

[00:39:09] That’s kind of where it ends and the earth is still frozen.

[00:39:12] Brett: [00:39:12] I feel like that was the whole story in the movie.

[00:39:14] Tris: [00:39:14] Well, it was, but then, then, then there’s the plot twist at the end, but the show takes it to a very, a much, they get into the class things a lot more and the privileges of class. Um, I think there’s a little more, there’s a little more of the brutality.

[00:39:31] That isn’t in the movie as much. Um, the, you know, the brutality of the cold and the brutality of the class system that they’ve established. And so it’s, I, my wife and I really enjoy it. Um, the second season, the two final episodes dropped, um, yesterday and I, I would. and we haven’t been able to watch them yet.

[00:39:53] So hopefully this weekend we’ll be able to watch them. I mean, we’ll probably save them for the, well, okay. I don’t want to give any spoilers, but Sean Bean [00:40:00] appears in the second season and I’m just waiting for him to die because he seems to always die in all of the shows he’s ever in

[00:40:06] Brett: [00:40:06] I’m afraid. I don’t know who that is.

[00:40:09] Tris: [00:40:09] Uh Game of Thrones.

[00:40:10] He was the, you know, Ned the, yeah, he was, he was in one season. He was the big like character that everyone, you know, Well, and then he died and like the second to last episode of the season.

[00:40:24] Brett: [00:40:24] In my memory, Ned stark gets beheaded in like episode two, because it seemed very sudden

[00:40:30] Tris: [00:40:30] Oh yeah. So, but he always, it seems that every movie he’s in, he like kicks it early on unexpectedly. Um, so

[00:40:39] Brett: [00:40:39] as the guy who dies.

[00:40:40] Tris: [00:40:40] he’s the guy who dies. Yeah.

[00:40:43] Brett: [00:40:43] have you seen invincible on Amazon?

[00:40:47] Tris: [00:40:47] no, I haven’t.

[00:40:48] Brett: [00:40:48] I have been told, I need to watch that I’m looking for opinions.

[00:40:51]Tris: [00:40:51] I haven’t watched that right now on Amazon. My daughter, who is six, is really loving this show called just add magic. It’s about these [00:41:00] tween girls who discover a magical cookbook, and it has things like teleporting, tamales and stuff, you know, popcorn that makes you see through the eyes of another person.

[00:41:13] And we’ve, we’ve gone through three, three or four seasons of it now. And I find it strangely engaging and I tried not to get engaged, but then I want to know how the weird magic mystery wraps up, but, you know, and I’m watching mash again on Disney plus. That was

[00:41:33] Brett: [00:41:33] a good idea.

[00:41:34]Tris: [00:41:34] Yeah, that’s a blast from the past was like, Oh,

[00:41:38] Brett: [00:41:38] that was such, it was such a good show.

[00:41:40]Tris: [00:41:40] I remember, like, I, I remember watching the, I think I watched the finale live, but I’ve watched everything else in reruns because I was too young. was like two or three when it first came out And but I’ve watched all of these things in reruns now I’m watching them in order and it’s like Oh that’s Oh now it makes sense

[00:41:58] Brett: [00:41:58] I think I my [00:42:00] first episode of mash when I was probably like 16 or 17 years old, which would have been almost like 94, 95 and it had just never been part of my life before that, but it was awesome.

[00:42:15]Tris: [00:42:15] Yeah, it was just, it was such a great bit of television. I mean, I, but the weird thing is when you, as an adult, I’m looking at this, it’s like all the people are way too old to have been doing what they’re doing. Um, At that time, like Klinger, if you look carefully, even in the first, first, second season, when he shows up, he’s got some gray hairs, it’s like he

[00:42:35] Brett: [00:42:35] crow’s feet,

[00:42:37] Tris: [00:42:37] Yeah. It’s like he would not have been drafted at. That age, like, you know, in your late thirties, early forties, even back then in the fifties, they wouldn’t have drafted you. I mean, come on. Um, people are showing and like no one has, you know, even anywhere close to a military haircut. Um, I mean the, of course they probably couldn’t have, you know, people [00:43:00] cut high and tight, um, in the seventies as actors that would just not have gone over.

[00:43:04] But no, one’s got a really military haircut. You just notice those things now as an adult, Okay.

[00:43:11] Brett: [00:43:11] All right. So what’s your second pick.

[00:43:13] Tris: [00:43:13] We already talked about the second one, which is spring. And I feel like this has been the longest winter ever between the pandemic and just spring seems to be late. Ugh. I just cannot wait for nice warm weather. And flowers and leaves on the trees again. And maybe we’ll be able to get out and do things with people because, um, we weren’t nearly in BC, wasn’t nearly as bad for lockdowns as some of the other parts of North America, but, you know, we, we definitely need to see some other human beings and that would be nice.

[00:43:48] Brett: [00:43:48] Winter here felt short to me. We had a very, it was a mild winter. We only had like three big snowfalls and even those were like six to eight inches, [00:44:00] which is right. Uh that’s like you plow the drive twice and you’re, you’re good. Um, unless you have one of those really. Big heavy duty plows. And you can just plow once when it’s done.

[00:44:13] Um, I have, uh, I have a small electric snowplow, so I have to be like proactive. And once there’s two inches on the ground, I got to go clear the driveway so I can get the next two inches later without clogging up the machine.

[00:44:27] Tris: [00:44:27] You know, it’s, it’s funny. You talk about that. Cause you know, like I was, I was born in new England and I went to school in Maine and um, my parents were from the Northeast and when I lived in Virginia, we would be out shoveling snow long before the storm ended. And all of our neighbors thought we were insane.

[00:44:44] And then out here we had, we had one good snow in BC, which is kind of normal for Vancouver. We have, we might get one good snow. And I was out there before it stopped going, shoveling the driveway and shoveling the walk. And the thing is like, no one else is out there. W [00:45:00] what am I doing? It’s like, Oh yeah.

[00:45:01] Cause like you’re used to, if it snows, you know, like it would usually, you don’t want to be trying to shovel two feet of snow off the driveway. You will die. You will have a heart attack in the middle of the driveway and become, you know, Oh yeah, well, that’s that too. That’s a given, given Thankfully we don’t get that much snow but

[00:45:21] Brett: [00:45:21] our last big snow started with ice Uh

[00:45:24] so

[00:45:25] Underneath the snow There was about a quarter inch of glare ice my dad who like I live in the same city as my parents Um and my dad ed had gone out to mailbox and had slipped and split his head open like

[00:45:44] Tris: [00:45:44] Oh my God Oh God

[00:45:47] Brett: [00:45:47] Yeah Yeah He he had he had like it was serious He had amnesia like he got into the house and couldn’t remember why he was covered in blood And so they got him to the hospital they got him stitched up [00:46:00] So I went over that evening to plow the driveway for them And he happens to have one of those big fancy plows So It was kind of like it’s huge And it has um like a big plastic shield that goes around the person who’s plowing

[00:46:18] Tris: [00:46:18] Oh my God this is hardcore is hardcore serious

[00:46:22] Yeah

[00:46:22] Brett: [00:46:22] I’m get down to the the ice on their driveway and it’s good thing This thing’s so big because I’m I’m doing like the running man behind it and it’s enough. It’s big enough to hold me up. I can like grip onto the handles and not fall down, but I get down to the bottom and there’s all of this blood just like frozen into the ice, it was crazy.

[00:46:43] Tris: [00:46:43] Oh God. It’s like the shining. Oh my God.

[00:46:46]Brett: [00:46:46] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:46:49] happy spring,

[00:46:51] Tris: [00:46:51] Happy spring. I mean, I mean, it’s like Easter is this Sunday, you know, we’ve, we’ve had, we’ve had the one full moon after the spring Equinox, [00:47:00] therefore Sunday becomes Easter. So, you know, I don’t know. It wasn’t for like years, I realized, you know, found out that’s what the rule is and why Easter just moves seemingly randomly all over the place

[00:47:13]Brett: [00:47:13] I just knew it was always on a Sunday. I never really paid attention to why it was on which Sunday.

[00:47:19] Tris: [00:47:19] I’m just, I’m just a geek that way. I love the natural world and science. So I have to know. So it’s the first Sunday after the first full moon, after the Spring Equinox,

[00:47:27] Brett: [00:47:27] Probably a case of a pagan ritual that the Christian Church wanted to overwrite with something

[00:47:37]Tris: [00:47:37] it’s one better because of Passover. Well, because of last supper was last supper was Passover

[00:47:44]Brett: [00:47:44] What does that have to do with the Equinox?

[00:47:47] Tris: [00:47:47] because, well, they figured out like if the last supper was Passover and you want to do it at the right time of year, you got to time it. That’s why Passover and Easter always are pretty close together. Yeah.

[00:47:57] Brett: [00:47:57] Cool. Learn

[00:47:58] Tris: [00:47:58] That’s that’s, [00:48:00] that’s the deal. So anyone, my, my third thing relating to Easter. Okay. Cadbury Cream eggs or peeps.

[00:48:08] What’s your what’s your Easter candy? Go-to

[00:48:10] Brett: [00:48:10] Cad Cadbury. Like I honestly, some people hate peeps. I like peeps. They’re great. But Cadbury Cream eggs are, I, I wish they were on sale all year long, but I love the sale after Easter and I will stock up and I will eat those things like crazy.

[00:48:28] Tris: [00:48:28] all right. I’ll see. I knew you were going to say this. So up here, Cadbury creme eggs are around, are here year round. Including the crunchy mini eggs. And not only that we have Cadbury, we have, um, you know, like, well, I guess they’re called Caramellos in the States, but they’re Caramilks here. So Cadbur Creame egg filled with caramel.

[00:48:50] They have Oreo ones. Um, what else? Uh, Oh, Henry, like we get, we get those, those cream egg variants year round. [00:49:00] You want a cream egg cross the border? Well, when you can cross the border. We got them year round, you can get crab, cabaret cream, eggs, and various

[00:49:08] Brett: [00:49:08] I don’t want, don’t want any of those variations I just like yellow and white cream

[00:49:15] Tris: [00:49:15] you got to try the caramel one

[00:49:16] Brett: [00:49:16] Oh I I D I have enjoyed the caramel ones but if I’m in the mood for a Cadbury Cream egg I’m not looking for the caramel ones

[00:49:24] Tris: [00:49:24] do do you do the Cadbury Cream egg um milkshake at uh McDonald’s

[00:49:31] Brett: [00:49:31] I haven’t been to McDonald’s since 1992

[00:49:36] Tris: [00:49:36] That’s probably a good thing then Yeah Or it’s actually it’s not it’s what it’s a McFlurry It’s not a milkshake It’s a Cadbury Cream egg McFlurry another

[00:49:44] great

[00:49:44] Brett: [00:49:44] It does sound delicious but no I

[00:49:46] Tris: [00:49:46] Oh yeah it would it would probably it you you see it displayed in your your blood sugar just spikes You don’t even have to eat it and your blood sugar spikes So

[00:49:56] Brett: [00:49:56] I wonder if you can just get like a bottle [00:50:00] of the cream filling

[00:50:01] Tris: [00:50:01] Oh I don’t know I bet you could In the UK I bet someone in the UK Cadbury is a Cadbury just make a tube of Cadbury creme egg filling

[00:50:12] Brett: [00:50:12] Oh and then you could you could wet it down a little bit so that it it was like uh could go through a straw and one of those beer hats.

[00:50:22]Tris: [00:50:22] Yeah.

[00:50:24] Brett: [00:50:24] Filled with Cadbury creme that you just sip through a straw while you walk around. I’d be into that.

[00:50:31] Tris: [00:50:31] Oh, my God. I think someone would have to be chasing you with, with a diabetic crash kit because, and then followed by your dentist. Who’s going to like, well, he’s going to, I was like, how many more cavities does he have now? It’s been about an hour. It should be about three.

[00:50:47] Brett: [00:50:47] Yeah.

[00:50:49] Tris: [00:50:49] Yeah. I

[00:50:49] Brett: [00:50:49] my dentist would be pleased.

[00:50:51] Tris: [00:50:51] Yeah, I can do about one or two true cream eggs in the Easter season, but then it’s the caramel ones that I go for [00:51:00] or the Oreo ones

[00:51:01]Brett: [00:51:01] I’ll let you have that.

[00:51:03] Tris: [00:51:03] Yeah. Uh, and, but my favorite jelly beans, it’s actually, that’s, that’s really by the handful jelly beans.

[00:51:09] Brett: [00:51:09] See, I don’t like, I don’t like jelly beans and I don’t like most licorice. Like I don’t like the shiny hard licorice. I like the kind of the like artisan licorice is a little more fun for me. I

[00:51:22] I don’t hate a niece I just hate the licorice.

[00:51:27] Tris: [00:51:27] Yeah, that’s not real licorice. That’s just gross. No, I like, we get a lot of really good licorice. The Panda Panda brand is one of my favorites.

[00:51:36] Brett: [00:51:36] What, uh, what color jelly bean,

[00:51:39] Tris: [00:51:39] All of them.

[00:51:40] Brett: [00:51:40] all of them.

[00:51:42] Tris: [00:51:42] I, I, I don’t pick and choose a jelly bean. I just eat it by the handful and get this melange of jelly, bean flavors, and hope that, uh, uh, black jelly bean works in there so I can get a little licorice hit, too.

[00:51:54] Brett: [00:51:54] why I don’t like jelly beans. I like, I love candy. I don’t know. What about jelly beans? I don’t like.

[00:52:01] [00:52:00] Tris: [00:52:01] No, they’re they’re awesome. I mean, I know it’s like the totally the Reagan era thing. Cause that was, that was Ronald Reagan’s big thing was. Jelly beans on his desk. And then I don’t remember what George Herbert Walker, you know, HW Bush had. I know his son had pork rinds. That was his thing. Um, but I don’t, I don’t remember what the other presidents had for snacks.

[00:52:21] Obama, I think was just too healthy. I mean, he had to quit smoking once he, once he went into the, went into office. So I don’t think he had, even by, I bet he had a secret stash in the bottom of the,

[00:52:32] Brett: [00:52:32] Oh, I bet he had something. No one quit smoking without getting into candy. that, is just, I don’t think it’s possible to get to quit smoking and not develop some kind of a snack habit.

[00:52:45] Tris: [00:52:45] No. I wonder if telly Savalas was the person to kick that off. You probably don’t remember. Telly Savalas was, he had a cop show Kojak and he was trying to quit smoking and he always sucked on a lollipop. That was the shtick for his character. Not only was he bald, [00:53:00] but he was at a lollipop. Cause he was, he was trying to quit.

[00:53:03] He was quitting smoking, but he, and that was how he dealt with it the lollipop

[00:53:09] Brett: [00:53:09] Yeah Oral fixations

[00:53:11] Tris: [00:53:11] Yeah you got it Yeah You know it’s why you gain a lot of gain weight When you when you uh quit smoking

[00:53:19] Brett: [00:53:19] All right So if people want to uh to find you get in touch with you see what you’re up to where where can they look

[00:53:26] Tris: [00:53:26] you you can go to Trishussy.com Or if you want to use uh maybe an easier to think spell ink by the barrel.ca is my sort of alternate domain As I decided when I relaunched freelancing that I would call myself you know ink by the barrel writing services

[00:53:46] Brett: [00:53:46] And you also have a podcast

[00:53:48] Tris: [00:53:48] And I do a podcast which also ink-related is my ink stained fingers

[00:53:54] Brett: [00:53:54] And if someone was like you know this LinkedIn conversation is really intriguing Where can I [00:54:00] find Tris on LinkedIn

[00:54:01] Tris: [00:54:01] Well that’s the best thing is you can just search for me and I’m there That’s thankfully there’s not many there’s no one There’s not other Trisses It’s pretty easy to findTrits So uh yeah you just search for me and you’ll find me on LinkedIn And um I do connect with a lot of people Um just please don’t sell send me a direct message selling me something right away that that really That’s just not cool

[00:54:25] Brett: [00:54:25] Well while we were talking and I was looking at my own LinkedIn account I logged in and realized I had like 20 happy birthday messages from last year My birthday was in July That’s how often I’ve been on LinkedIn

[00:54:36] Tris: [00:54:36] Yeah You know that’s the one I don’t do I don’t have my birthday on LinkedIn I keep that to Facebook And I cause I think it’s weird to get happy birthday messages on LinkedIn I still have that business personal split going on that I want to like okay LinkedIn I’m more businessy people who are friends They can wish me happy birthday on Facebook but not not on LinkedIn And I [00:55:00] don’t think I’ve ever wished anyone happy birthday on LinkedIn

[00:55:03] Brett: [00:55:03] And uh do you have a neglected Twitter handle

[00:55:06] Tris: [00:55:06] I do it’s Tris Hussey very simple It was early on that Uh I was able to get I didn’t get Tris I didn’t think that far ahead Like I just thought well everyone knows me as Tris Hussey so I’ll be and I could have gotten probably gotten Tris, know but I I didn’t And that’s that’s where I am I mean my Twitter is somewhat neglected but um I if someone messages me and I’ll I’ll pop in and interact but that’s that’s where I am

[00:55:37] Brett: [00:55:37] Cool Well thank you for uh for your time today

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[00:55:40] Tris: [00:55:40] Okay Oh thank you for letting me be on the show And I guess I guess I can wait for the next invitation And what about three four years when you come back around

[00:55:47] Brett: [00:55:47] Yeah w w we’ll see what happens. You’re definitely on the, on the, this was a blast. Like I love the ADHD kind of flow we had going here. So yeah. You, you didn’t [00:56:00] disqualify yourself from future episodes that’s for

[00:56:02] Tris: [00:56:02] Oh, that’s good. Well, that’s good. Yeah, I do. I do have a touch of the ADHD so I can, I, my, my brain can go like, just change topic. Fine. I’ll jump though. No problem whatsoever. No problem whatsoever.

[00:56:16] Brett: [00:56:16] Well, thanks everyone for listening and we’ll see you all in a week.

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