John Vervaeke is a professor at the University of Toronto and the creator of the popular online YouTube Series ‘Awakening from The Meaning Crisis’, which is a rich feast of cognitive science, philosophy, religion, and the history of ideas. What makes Vervaeke special in my opinion is the breadth of his work, but his courage descend the ivory tower and talk to people ‘on the street’—and to exemplify his ideas. His hero is Socrates, and he embodies the living dialogue and courage that Socrates represents.

Zak Stein is philosopher of education working at the interface of psychology, metaphysics, and politics. He has published two books, including Education in Time Between Worlds, along with dozens of articles. This writing was done as he worked co-founding a non-profit and think tank, as well as teaching graduate students at Harvard, and consulting with technology start-ups. Zak is a long time meditator, musician and caregiver, which has shaped him more than any professional engagements. (Source: https://www.systems-souls-society.com)

In our wide ranging conversation we discussed:

The end of the world
The thoughts of the heart
The post tragic
The untapped
Fate and fatal - how reality goes beyond our egocentric concerns
Absurdity and horror
The great un patterning
Sacred Kairos
Fragmentation and wholeness
Imaginal and imagination
Neo perennialism
Dialogue between traditions
Ecology of practice
The virtual campfire
Kairos
Ecstatic ordeal

John Vervaek’s Awakening from the Meaning Crisis

Zachary Stein: Covid 19: A war in heaven

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John Vervaeke and Zachary Stein: The war in heaven, the kitchen table, and thoughts of the heart