Host Brian Stelter talks with NPR’s Andrea Bernstein, who has been in the courtroom for E. Jean Carroll’s defamation case against Donald Trump, along with Vanity Fair special correspondent Molly Jong-Fast. They discuss Trump using the backdrop of these legal proceedings to portray the system as rigged against him—a running grievance on the campaign trail—and how is public outbursts and continued attacks on Carroll could be a preview for the criminal trials to come.