ISF Podcast S36 Ep18: Sir Jeremy Fleming - Why Government–Business Unity Is Critical to Global Cyber Defence
Feb 3, 2026
20:41
In today’s episode, Steve sits down with Tom Hardin, aka Tipperx — best known for helping expose a massive Wall Street insider trading ring. Steve and Tom discuss early warning signs that an organization might be crossing ethical or legal lines, how to build an organizational culture that promotes openness and protects from insider threats, and how to get employees to buy into things like good cyber hygiene.
Key Takeaways:
- Governments must work with the private sector to achieve a cyber-secure environment.
- Boards are increasingly aware of cyber risks, but more work is needed.
- Global trust is dissipating.
Tune in to hear more about:
- The changing landscape of critical national infrastructure (5:46)
- Security vs. privacy in the UK (9:27)
- An ongoing, structural geopolitical shift (15:18)
Standout Quotes:
- “We need to make sure that we are thinking right across government when we are thinking about the approach to critical national infrastructure and how we can make it most safe for our users and for our populations.” - Sir Jeremy Fleming
- “I still encounter plenty who haven't done one for 18 months, who haven't updated to the latest threat environment, who haven't thought about geopolitics coming into play. Haven't checked that they've still contracted with a company who's gonna help them wind back in the event that they are breached. Hasn't thought seriously about whether it's gonna pay a ransom. The implications of paying a ransom.” - Sir Jeremy Fleming
- “The first thing is that what we're seeing now around changes in geopolitics is definitely a structural change. It's not a cyclical change. So the post 1948 Bretton Woods approach to the global order, with a whole load of United Nations agencies, World Health Organization, World Trade Organization, our approach to international aid, World Bank, these are all institutions that have changed fundamentally and won't change back.” - Sir Jeremy Fleming
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