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Reports of Node's death are greatly exaggerated

Sep 28, 2023

Node Technical Steering Committee members Matteo Collina and James Snell join the podcast to dispel Bun antagonism rumors, discuss the pros and cons of each runtime, explain how Node continues to thrive, and even announce a very big upcoming feature. They also discuss topics such as improving Node's URL parser performance, comparing production readiness and scalability of BUN and Node, frustration with complexity and the introduction of the Apprite platform, running tests and addressing hype around JavaScript libraries, contributing and financial backing of Node.js, the I/O JS split, and marketing strategies of Bun.

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Quick takeaways

Bun prioritizes performance over security and may not align with the typical production needs of large-scale applications.

Node.js focuses on stability and observability but faces challenges in making extensive performance improvements without compromising compatibility.

Investing in performance optimization can be costly and time-consuming, with many companies prioritizing feature development over pure performance gains.

Bun's focus on performance may lead to trade-offs in security, highlighting the need for striking the right balance between performance and security.

Deep dives

The Performance Trade-offs of bun

Bun emphasizes performance by making specific trade-offs and optimizations. For example, it prefers offline installation by default, skipping checks for new versions of dependencies, prioritizing speed over security. However, this can lead to potential security risks. Additionally, bun does not currently run most test frameworks and default settings may not align with the typical production needs of large-scale applications.

Introduction

3min

Introductions, recent activities, and early morning recording

2min

Introducing Node.js Technical Steering Committee and Core Contributors

25min

Improving Node's URL parser performance

12min

Comparing Production Readiness and Scalability of BUN and Node

4min

Frustration with Complexity and Introduction of Apprite Platform

3min

Running Tests and Addressing Hype Around JavaScript Libraries

21min

Contributing and Financial Backing

19min

I/O JS Split and Marketing Strategies of Bun

10min

10.

Expressing gratitude, upcoming event announcement, and reminder of the 300th episode

2min

Amal, KBall & Chris convene a “semi-emergency” pod to discuss the recent (deserved) hype over Bun and what it all means for Node’s community, maintainers & users.

They’re joined by Node Technical Steering Committee members Matteo Collina & James Snell who are here to dispel Bun antagonism rumors, discuss the pros & cons of each runtime, explain how Node continues to thrive & even announce a VERY big upcoming feature!

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Featuring:

Matteo Collina – Website, GitHub, Mastodon, X
James Snell – Website, GitHub, Mastodon, X
Amal Hussein – GitHub, X
Kevin Ball – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, X
Christopher Hiller – Website, GitHub, Mastodon, X

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