
The Tikvah Podcast John Spencer on the Fate of Gaza's Tunnels
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Oct 24, 2025 John Spencer, Chair of Urban Warfare Studies at the Modern War Institute, dives into the complexities of Gaza's extensive tunnel network. He reveals how Hamas's strategy uniquely relies on these subterranean defenses, built under civilian infrastructure. The discussion covers the staggering scale and cost of the tunnels, their dual offensive and defensive roles, and the psychological challenges faced by soldiers. Spencer also outlines the difficulties militaries face in neutralizing these tunnels and the implications for future conflicts, emphasizing the need for global awareness.
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Underground As Strategic Core
- Hamas made the underground the primary means to achieve political goals, not just a tactical layer.
- The underground was designed to outlast Israel's surface advantages and buy time via sanctuary.
Unprecedented Tunnel Density
- Gaza's tunnel network is extremely dense with multiple layered systems beneath cities.
- Spencer estimates over a thousand kilometers of tunnels, more than many metro systems in the world.
Depths Beyond Conventional Munitions
- Tunnels in Gaza reach depths up to about 200 feet, beyond easy reach of standard bunker-busters.
- Israel developed drilling and penetrator techniques to reach leadership hidden deep underground.

