In this pseudo-kōan of an episode, David and Michael ask us to start poking holes in our conception of reality and offer a healthy recipe for 'getting there'.

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Two seemingly simple questions, "Where are we trying to get and where are we if we are not already there", lead Michael and David down the deeper rabbit hole of how we conceptualize our experiences.

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