The 2023 Rugby World Cup final is set as South Africa take on New Zealand for glory on Saturday 28 October in Paris. So, we thought this would be great time to replay the Value Perspective episode that we recorded with professional rugby referee Wayne Barnes back in 2021.

Wayne will be in the thick of the action in Paris this weekend as he has been honored with selection as the match referee for the final.  But back in 2021 we spoke to him when the Lions were in the midst of their South Africa tour.

You'll hear how Wayne and his team prepare for matches, the unique pressure of making decisions in a very public setting and how his training as a barrister has helped him be a better referee. Enjoy!

EPISODE NOTES:

1:07 Intro

2:33 Who are the Lions? 

3:06 How did Wayne start in reffing? 

7:32 How do you structure your decision making as a referee? 

12:55 How does referee preparation affect the flow of a game?

18:06 How do you tackle ambiguity in the rules of rugby?

22:09 For referees, their decisions are broadcast in real time through a stadium and on television. How does that environment affect decision making?

25:13 How do you work with other referees during a game?

29:45 How do you allow the context of the game to affect your decision making?

34:48 How is referring held accountable?

39:25 The France v Wales game from the Six Nations

47:35 Who is the hardest player you’ve had to ref?

50:35 Do you segment yourself as a rugby referee from yourself as a rugby fan?

55:56 Book Recommendations

Book Recommendations:

Rebel Allocator by Jake Taylor

Sooley by John Grisham

Belonging: the Ancient Code of Togetherness by Owen Eastwood

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