Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson with Jerusalem Demsas

In Abundance, journalists Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson explain how one generation’s solutions have become the next generation’s problems and offer a call to rethink big, entrenched problems that seem mired in systemic scarcity, from climate change and housing to education and healthcare. In conversation with Jerusalem Demsas, a staff writer at The Atlantic, host of their policy podcast “Good on Paper,” and the author of On the Housing Crisis. 

This program was held on March 20, 2025 in partnership with The Atlantic.