A future filled with autonomous vehicles promises to be a driving utopia. Maximum efficiency navigation decreasing traffic and congestion, safety features that drastically reduce collisions with other cars, bikes, or pedestrians, and an electric-first approach that lowers greenhouse gas emissions.

But as today’s guest asserts, on the back of her extensive research the implications of a huge increase in autonomous vehicles on our streets aren’t rosy by default. Sarah Barnes works on the micro-mobility team at Lyft, and has published a variety of works that document the expected implications of more autonomous vehicles in major metropolitan areas— implications that are good, bad, and ugly. Sarah argues that without a serious focus on three transport revolutions—making transport shared, electric, AND autonomous, congestion and pollution could be here to stay. Sarah walks me through what the various implications are, and how local governments and AI practitioners can partner on policy and technology to create a future that works for everyone.