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In this episode, the host and his guest, Jordan Sherman, discuss their collaborative music project called Good Valley. They share how the vision for the project came to fruition and how it was the most fulfilling creative project they've ever done. They talk about the importance of having a clear vision for a project and how it can be rare to achieve that clarity. They also discuss the balance between seriousness and silliness in their music, as well as the importance of detaching oneself from the art to allow for creativity and potentiality. They reflect on their musical journeys and how they have evolved as artists, emphasizing the importance of openness, discernment, and the ability to let go in the creative process. They highlight the significance of completing a creative project and the challenges of knowing when something is done. Finally, they touch on the concept of pursuing perfection and the need to find a balance between striving for excellence and accepting imperfections.