

Hour 1: Security Guarantees
Aug 19, 2025
Discover the tangled interests of various players in the Ukraine conflict and why the Ukrainian people seem sidelined in choosing their leaders. The podcast dives into the disconnect between those in power and the soldiers and civilians suffering from war. It explores diplomatic efforts regarding security guarantees and the pressing nature of international security threats. Listen as they connect personal stories with historical military displays, revealing the intertwining of politics and individual experiences.
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Leaders Are Detached From War's Costs
- Wars are decided by leaders insulated from frontline suffering, not by those who suffer most.
- Jesse Kelly argues that this detachment makes wars easier to start and harder to end.
Defense Industry Shapes Political Incentives
- The U.S. defense industry and its money create incentives for politicians to prolong conflicts.
- Kelly suggests defense contractors' funding reduces politicians' motivation to end wars.
European Elites' Comfort Erodes Peace Pressure
- European leaders also lack motivation to end the war because their elites retain security and energy comfort.
- Kelly links Europe's energy policies and elite insulation to reduced pressure to stop the conflict.