John and Ciaran dive back into the government shutdown and immigration debate, imagining a new way forward. J and C also announce the Better Angels State of the Union event, two days after President Trump's SOTU and the Democratic response, in Washington D.C. Get involved in the event, or hold your own B.A. State of the Union gathering: https://www.better-angels.org/SOTU/ Music: Josh Lim www.joshjameslim.com/
