Politics War Room with James Carville & Al Hunt

210: Trump’s Indictment & American History

Aug 17, 2023

Legal expert Professor Morgan Cloud joins the podcast to explain the difference between federal and state RICO statutes, the indictment of Trump, and the potential split in the Republican party. Historian Professor Sean Wilentz discusses the changing trends in history education and its impact on coverage of the early abolition movement. The hosts also share their benchmark odds for political happenings and discuss the divisive state of American politics, technology threats, and the Georgia indictment.

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Morgan Cloud

Sean Wilentz

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Quick takeaways

The Georgia Rico statute is suitable for the indictment against Trump and his co-conspirators in attempting to overturn the 2020 election.

The complexity of the Georgia case and the potential delays it may cause are common in large conspiracy cases with multiple defendants.

The podcast episode highlights concerns about the gradual erosion of democracy in the United States, with reference to the stranglehold that individual senators like Rand Paul and Tommy Tuberville have on appointments and promotions.

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Summary Title 1

The Georgia Rico statute is relevant and appropriate for the indictment against Donald Trump and his co-conspirators for attempting to overturn the 2020 presidential election. The statute focuses on groups engaging in ongoing activities or sharing a common purpose, which is identified as overturning the election in this case. The statute allows for the prosecution of individuals who have committed different actions related to the shared purpose. The indictment is based on Georgia law, including crimes that are not defined as racketeering crimes under federal law. The prosecution in Georgia has an independent interest in protecting its own elections and has the constitutional authority to do so. The argument to remove the case to federal court lacks merit, as the actions alleged in the indictment do not fall within the statutory or constitutional duties assigned to the president or members of the Justice Department. It is important to recognize that states have their own legal interests and are encouraged to protect them under the federal system. Ruth Marcus' argument for federal court jurisdiction is based on personal preference rather than legal analysis.

Introduction

5min

Trump's Indictment and Speculations

7min

Discussing Lomi: The Countertop Electric Composter and America's Division

3min

The Divisive State of American Politics

24min

Gratitude, Cultural Influences, Technology Threats, and Georgia Indictment

5min

The Georgia Statute and Racketeering Conspiracy

21min

The Application and Constitutionality of the False Statements Statute

4min

Discussion on Removal Argument and Equitable Jury Panel

4min

Corruption and Abuse: Unveiling the Dark Side of Law Enforcement

26min

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Podcast Promotion and Sponsor Mention

2min

James and Al are joined by Professor Morgan Cloud to explain the difference between the federal and Georgia state RICO statutes, why Trump was indicted there, and if it will split the Republican party. Then, they sit down with Professor Sean Wilentz to discuss how the way history is being taught is changing with the growing trend towards presentism and dive into how it affects coverage of the early days of the abolition movement in the United States. They also share their benchmark odds for important political happenings– do they have them right?

Political Odds Making From James & Al
Trump Winning The Nomination- 2:1
Over/Under On How Many Indicted In Fulton County Go To Trial- Under 13
Which Trump Case Goes First- Mar-A-Lago
Trump Not Having A Bombshell Press Conference- 2:1
Trump Schedules His Arraignment During Republican Milwaukee Debate- 1:1 (and if he does 4:1 CNN has a split screen to cover it)
Most Likely Nominee If It’s Not Trump- J.D. Vance

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Get More From This Week’s Guests:

Professor Morgan Cloud:
Emory University School of Law | SSRN Articles

Professor Sean Wilentz
Twitter | Princeton History Department | Author of “No Property In Man” & Many Other Books

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