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Grant’s Current Yield Podcast

A COMPELLING MODEL

Jul 3, 2024
Shaun Usmar, CEO of Triple Flag, discusses the challenges of Fiat currency, Triple Flag's business model in the mining sector, successes and risks in royalty and streaming, investing in the South African mining industry, and the significance of gold as a monetary asset.
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  • Private credit issuers face insolvency due to inability to cover interest expenses, despite optimistic pricing.
  • Triple Flag's structured capital model supports miners' growth with effective risk management and diversified portfolio strategies.

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Current Market Trends in High Yield Credit and Private Credit Issuers

In the current market environment, there is a stark contrast between the tight spreads in high yield credit, indicating economic success, and the concerning situation of private credit issuers. Around 10% of rated private credit issuers are under covenant relief, with over a third of them unable to cover their interest expenses from EBITDA, revealing insolvency. This disparity poses a challenge as creditors price investments optimistically despite underlying risks.

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