Today I sit down with Mary Shutan, a spiritual teacher specializing in awakening and shadow work. Our conversation focuses on the weirdness, emotional volatility, darkness, and other challenges that inevitably accompany serious spiritual practice. Along the way, we talk about the diverse range of awakenings, the difficulties of managing kundalini energy, and what to do in the case of a spiritual emergency.

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Resources mentioned:

Lan Li, Body Maps: Improvising Meridians and Nerves in Global Chinese Medicine (2025)
Pierce Salguero, A Lamp Unto Yourself (2025).
Mary Shutan, Shadow Work for the Soul: Seeing Beauty in the Dark (2024).
Mary Shutan, The Spiritual Awakening Guide (2015).
Mary Shutan, The Body Deva: Working with the Spiritual Consciousness of the Body (2018).
Mary Shutan, Working with Kundalini: An Experiential Guide to the Process of Awakening (2019).
Mary's website: maryshutan.com
Mary's YouTube channel: @MaryShutan

Resources provided on blackberyl.substack.com:

Chapter 23 of Mary's new book ("Engaging the Deep Wild")
Preface & Chapter 1 of Pierce's new book ("Preparing for the Journey")
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