80,000 Hours Podcast

#43 Classic episode - Daniel Ellsberg on the institutional insanity that maintains nuclear doomsday machines

Jan 18, 2022
In this engaging conversation, Daniel Ellsberg, a former US defense analyst and author of "The Doomsday Machine," dives deep into the chilling reality of nuclear weapons. He discusses the dangers posed by automated systems like the Soviet Union's Dead Hand, which can trigger massive retaliation without human intervention. Ellsberg calls for greater transparency in military policies and critiques the legacy of Cold War mentalities. He emphasizes the need for nuclear disarmament and collaborative engagement to avert catastrophe, making a compelling case for rethinking global security.
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INSIGHT

Nuclear Policy's Insane Threat

  • US nuclear policy threatens insane action, possibly killing nearly everyone on earth due to nuclear winter.
  • This threat, based on 35 years of data, has been used for deterrence.
INSIGHT

Civilization's Self-Destructive Impulse?

  • Nuclear war preparations represent an unparalleled human project, combining advanced science and technology.
  • Ironically, this meticulous planning could destroy civilization, raising questions about a self-destructive impulse.
ANECDOTE

Khrushchev's Empty Threats

  • Khrushchev's empty threats against London and Paris in the late 50s, due to his lack of intermediate-range weapons, illustrate how threats evolve.
  • His subsequent acquisition of these weapons increased their credibility but also the risk of their use.
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