Future Learning Design Podcast

Making Meaning, Not Making Sense - A Conversation with Sam Crosby

Jul 12, 2025
In a captivating discussion, Sam Crosby, a traditional oral storyteller and founder of Recalling Fire, delves into the transformative power of storytelling in education. He argues that making meaning often trumps merely making sense. Sam highlights the vital role of ancient myths and elders in today's 'crisis of meaning,' advocating for a personalized approach to learning. He emphasizes the importance of fostering genuine connections and self-awareness in young people, urging educators to embrace chaos, balance, and individual journeys.
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INSIGHT

Maps vs Territory in Education

  • Modern education teaches rigid maps that can disconnect students from the lived world.
  • Real resilience comes from creating maps relevant to personal experience and adapting as you go.
INSIGHT

Meaning of 'Drop the Map'

  • Drop the map means putting aside old models to see what the world offers freshly.
  • It invites direct experience over inherited directions for deeper meaning and guidance.
ADVICE

Use Reflection and Slow Down

  • Slow down and regulate your nervous system to counteract constant stress.
  • Use reflective material like mythology or volunteering to see yourself more clearly.
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