Paint & Pipette: The Art & Science of Innovation S2Ep14: The Need for Good Followership and not Just Good Leadership, with Trier Bryant
There are countless books and resources to help people develop good leadership skills, but not many people or institutions seem to focus on developing good followership. The military is one exception. Today on the show, we are joined by Trier Bryant, CEO and Co-Founder of Just Work who shares insight from her career leading teams in the Air Force, at Goldman Sachs, and at Twitter. Trier co-founded Just Work with Kim Scott, the New York Times Bestselling Author of Radical Candor, and the author of another more recent book also titled Just Work. Apart from blowing our minds with her perspectives on followership and the critical need for organizations to take better care of their people, Trier also sheds light on workplace injustice and how to go about rooting out bias. To discover what it means to be a good follower, what the three root causes of workplace injustice are, and a practical framework to help you challenge and overcome injustice in your workplace, tune in today!
Key Points From This Episode:
- An introduction to Trier Bryant, her company Just Work, and the book of the same name written by her co-founder.
- The critical need for organizations to take care of their people.
- The moment where Trier first identified this need in the corporate world and how her experience in the military informed this.
- Other ways the military and the corporate world treat their people differently.
- What the military does really well: they teach people about leadership as well as followership.
- What it means to be a good follower.
- Thoughts on how a good leader wants to be challenged.
- How the military teaches good followership and the value of good questions from both sides.
- Examples of good followership and insight into the different types of followers.
- Barak Obama and Jack Dorsey as examples of followers that Trier admires.
- Why Trier was underwhelmed by the transition from banking to tech.
- The three root causes of workplace injustice.
- How the Just Work Framework helps companies overcome injustice to get things done fast and fair.
- An example of a situation where one of Just Work’s principles led to a game-changing moment.
- Resources or strategies to help listeners move ahead in applying the framework discussed in this podcast.
- What compelled Trier to co-found Just Work with Kim Scott and become its CEO and what she wishes she had done differently.
Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:
Radical Candor
Just Work: How to Root Out Bias, Prejudice, and Bullying to Build a Kick-Ass Culture of Inclusivity
Chief
TED: How to reduce bias in your workplace
Jeremy Utley on LinkedIn
Marcus Hollinger on LinkedIn