#248 – Norman Naimark: Genocide, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and Absolute Power

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Dec 13, 2021

Norman Naimark, a Stanford historian specializing in genocide, dives deep into the dark truths of totalitarian regimes. He discusses the chilling realities behind Stalin's rise to power, the horrors of the Holodomor famine in Ukraine, and the complexities of genocide intertwined with national identity. Naimark also reflects on the duality of human nature during these atrocities, balancing moments of violence with compassion. The conversation ultimately underscores the moral questions surrounding ideologies and human behavior in times of extreme crisis.

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Stalin's Belief in Socialism

Stalin was a true Leninist who believed that socialism was the ultimate goal of human existence.
This belief system influenced his actions and policies, but didn't preclude other motivations.

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Stalin: Evil but Competent

Norman Naimark considers Stalin evil due to his disregard for human suffering and unnecessary elimination of people.
Despite this, Stalin was a highly competent, hardworking, and politically astute leader, not incompetent.

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Stalin's Rise to Power and Ruthlessness

Stalin's murderous tendencies emerged alongside the Soviet system's growth and his own power consolidation, not inherent from childhood.
His power, unchecked, intensified his ruthlessness in the 1930s.

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