

203. How To Beat Farage And The Populists
30 snips Aug 31, 2025
Joining the discussion is Mariana Mazzucato, a Professor of Economics of Innovation at University College London and author of Mission Economy. She delves into how political messaging can influence economic growth, arguing that effective communication is vital in a challenging economic landscape. The conversation highlights the importance of collaboration between public and private sectors, and shares lessons from the moon landing regarding urgency and innovation. Mariana also addresses educational disparities and advocates for innovation-driven solutions to empower local economies.
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Tell Simple, Evidence-Led Economic Stories
- Simple, evidence-based narratives beat simplistic scapegoating in politics.
- Point to private-sector failures like extraction and low reinvestment rather than blaming immigrants or the public sector.
Make Policy A Movement, Not A Lecture
- Explain reforms clearly and make people feel part of the change, not just told about it.
- Build movements around policy by listening, setting timelines, and showing how communities will benefit.
Roosevelt Used Culture To Build Support
- Roosevelt built a cultural movement during recovery, involving artists and public works.
- That cultural framing made national projects feel inclusive and purposeful.