
Worker and Parasite The Invention of Good and Evil by Hanno Sauer
Oct 15, 2025
Dive into the complex evolution of morality with insights from early hominid cooperation to the cultural impacts of agriculture. Discover how punishment shaped social behavior and enabled cooperation beyond kin groups. Explore the rise of 'big gods' in managing societal norms and the Catholic Church's role in fostering individualism. The hosts tackle modern moral debates, from civil rights to contemporary social movements, leaving listeners curious about the future of moral expansion.
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Cooperation As The First Moral Technology
- Human cooperation is the core evolutionary innovation that separated hominids from other primates.
- Environmental change selected for more cooperative groups, enabling cumulative cultural evolution.
Punishment Scales Cooperation
- Punishment evolved to enforce norms and allow cooperation beyond kin networks.
- Retributive punishment and 'self-domestication' weeded out aggressive traits and stabilized peaceful cooperation.
Hosts React To Historical Torture
- Jerry and Stably react with dark humor to historical torture devices described in the book.
- They mention the brass 'bowl' and the bellows as gruesome examples of past punishment.













