Future Learning Design Podcast

What's Love Got to Do with Education? A Conversation with Dr. Laura Penn, Khadija Shahper Bakthiar, Jamie Bristow and Andrea Hiott

Nov 29, 2025
Join Dr. Laura Penn, a leadership communication expert; Jamie Bristow, a sustainability advisor; Khadija Shahper Bakthiar, founder of Teach For Pakistan; and Andrea Hiott, a cognitive scientist exploring love in philosophy. They dive deep into the challenging yet vital role of love in systems change and education. Discover why love often feels taboo in professional spaces, how embodiment enhances learning, and the necessity of integrating emotion into education. Their insights reveal that fostering love is crucial for community and systemic transformation.
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ANECDOTE

Love Felt Like A Tumbleweed

  • Tim describes a Teach For All table in Singapore where naming "love" caused silence and resistance.
  • The reaction highlighted how taboo love can be in professional education spaces.
INSIGHT

Revolution Of The Heart

  • Laura Penn argues modern communication overweights the head and underuses the embodied self, causing disconnection.
  • She calls for a "revolution of the heart" that restores body, feeling, and love in education and leadership.
ADVICE

Bring Feeling Into Teaching

  • Laura recommends reconnecting head and body equally when teaching communication and leadership.
  • Invite feeling into learning rather than relying solely on facts and detached presentation.
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