The Bulwark Podcast Bill Kristol and Ty Cobb: Recapturing America
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Oct 13, 2025 
In this discussion, Bill Kristol, a veteran conservative commentator and founder of The Bulwark, teams up with Ty Cobb, former White House special counsel. They tackle the effectiveness of peaceful protests in countering federal actions and critique the political framing of dissent. Ty shares insights on the motivations behind Trump’s legal troubles, calling recent indictments acts of political revenge. They also discuss the long-term challenges facing the Justice Department and the importance of maintaining institutional integrity amid current political turmoil.
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Hostage Release Is A Partial Win
- The Gaza hostage releases bring mixed emotions: joy for frees and grief for lives lost and destruction.
- Bill Kristol warns the ceasefire is a step, not a resolution, and reconstruction remains a huge challenge.
Occupation Strategy Is Backfiring
- Sending federal forces to cities looks increasingly disproportionate and politically risky.
- Kristol and Miller say ridicule and peaceful protest have weakened the White House case for occupation.
Protests Are Patriotic, Not Terrorist
- No Kings protests are framed by organizers as patriotic and peaceful, not 'hate America' rallies.
- Kristol notes labeling protesters terrorists is an Orwellian slander meant to intimidate millions.