At the height of the Covid pandemic, nearly 200 countries started negotiating a plan to ensure they would do better when the next pandemic inevitably arrived. Their deadline for that plan was last week.

Apoorva Mandavilli, a science and global health reporter for The Times, explains why, so far, the negotiations have failed.

Guest: Apoorva Mandavilli, a science and global health reporter for The New York Times.

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Countries failed to agree on a treaty to prepare the world for the next pandemic before a major international meeting.

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