Nikhilesh De of CoinDesk joins the podcast to discuss the ongoing trial of Sam Bankman-Fried. The interesting topics covered include the testimony of witnesses Gary Wang and Carolyn Ellison. They explore the implications of lying in the trial, Carolyn's testimony and her portrayal of her relationship with Bankman-Fried, Ellison's testimony about alleged Chinese government bribery, a funds freezing scheme, wire fraud rumors, and the judge's frustration during the trial. The podcast also analyzes the trial proceedings and defense strategy.