Episode 127 - Behind the Wheel: XPeng G6, Pony & Toyota Get More Serious, Jetta to use LeapMotor's Tech
Aug 15, 2023
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Topics discussed in this podcast include the development of Vatescol's 800 Volt technology, crucial elements for success in China, monthly sales projections for XPeng G6, Tesla's competition in the Chinese market, factors influencing the departure of 'Shinjo' from a startup company, success of XPeng G6 and the investment partnership between Toyota and Pony AI, Volkswagen's partnership with Leap Motor and Jetta's struggles.
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Partnerships between automotive companies and autonomous technology companies are increasing to create fully autonomous vehicles from the start.
The rise of Chinese EV brands poses challenges for Porsche, and they need to improve their EV offerings to maintain their market presence in China.
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Pony AI and Toyota to Co-Invest $140 Million in Autonomous Vehicles
Pony AI and Toyota have announced a co-investment of $140 million in autonomous vehicle development. Pony AI will provide the technology, while Toyota will provide the vehicles. This partnership follows the trend of automotive companies partnering with autonomous technology companies to leverage their respective expertise. The goal is to create fully autonomous vehicles that are integrated into the design of the vehicles from the start, rather than adding autonomous technology as an afterthought. This collaboration will likely accelerate the development and deployment of autonomous vehicles in both China and other regions.
Potential IPO for NIO Power and the Benefits to Existing NIO Shareholders
There have been speculations about NIO Power potentially going public as a separate company, with multiple OEMs making strategic investments to accelerate its rollout in China and other regions. It is unclear how existing NIO shareholders would benefit from this scenario. However, one possibility is that with more OEMs investing in NIO Power, it could lead to higher utilization of their battery swapping stations, which could result in increased revenue and potential shareholder benefits. Another factor to consider is the adoption of battery swapping technology by foreign automakers, which could further boost NIO Power's growth and potential profitability.
The Challenges and Opportunities for Porsche in the Chinese Market
Porsche has had tremendous success in the Chinese market, with record sales every year. However, the rise of domestic Chinese EV brands and their increasing competitiveness poses challenges for Porsche. The introduction of more affordable, high-quality electric vehicles from Chinese automakers could potentially impact Porsche's market share. Additionally, Porsche's EV offerings, such as the Taycan, have faced criticism for their range limitations. As Chinese consumers increasingly embrace Chinese EV brands, Porsche will need to adapt its marketing strategy and improve its EV offerings to maintain its position in the market. Failure to do so could weaken Porsche's market presence in China and impact the company's overall performance.
The Future of EV Sales and the Price War in China
The price war in the Chinese EV market is expected to continue as the industry faces challenges amidst a struggling Chinese economy. The COVID-19 pandemic has affected Chinese consumer spending, and it will require significant effort to regain previous sales levels. This presents an opportunity for Chinese automakers to offer competitive pricing and discounts to attract customers. The price war is likely to continue through 2023 as companies seek to gain market share. This could lead to desperation among Chinese brands, resulting in aggressive pricing strategies. However, it's important to note that foreign automakers also need to adapt and embrace the Chinese market dynamics to remain competitive.
Lei starts this pod out with a brief history lesson about Vitesco which was spun off from Continental’s powertrain business that had some roots at Siemens.
Lei pivots to talking in detail about his time behind the wheel of the new-ish XPeng G6 including letting the City NGP function take over for parts of his journey.
Tu then points out that as the price war has heated up, more and more complaints have arisen from customers who are purchasing these EVs. Tu takes a moment to differentiate between fails vs. (too) complicated design and how the latter can still be categorized as a fail.
Lei moves on to a discussion about Xinzhou Wu, XPeng’s head of Autonomous, leaving XPeng to join Nvidia in the US. Lei outlined the numerous reasons this could be and they all could’ve contributed to his leaving XPeng.
The pod then shifts over to a discussion of Pony and Toyota co-investing $140M in autonomous vehicles. Toyota had already made an investment in Pony and this just deepens their partnership with Toyota hoping that Pony can be their ADAS / AV solution for China.
Tu and Lei close out the podcast with a discussion of the rumor that Jetta was looking at LeapMotor to advance its EV situation by licensing their EV platform, similar to Audi’s partnership with SAIC. If we are keeping score, that’s three major deals for the VW Group with a Chinese partner if we include the VW + XPeng investment as well.
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