What if the way you relate to God is shaped by the same attachment patterns that shape your relationships with others?

In this episode, Shawna and Paul talk with Cyd and Geoff Holsclaw—pastors, authors, and co-founders of the Center for Embodied Faith—about their new book Landscapes of the Soul. Blending theology, neuroscience, and real-life stories, they reveal how attachment theory can transform our discipleship and spiritual formation.

Together they explore:

•The “landscapes” of the jungle of anxiety, desert of avoidance, war zone of chaos, and the pasture of joy and peace

•Why joy is the key to secure connection with God and others

•Practices that help us heal attachment wounds and grow resilient faith

Whether you find yourself in a jungle of anxiety, a desert of disconnection, or the pasture of peace, this conversation shows how Jesus meets us right where we are—and invites us into deeper courage, connection, and joy.

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