John Gruber, a renowned writer at Daring Fireball and host of The Talk Show, joins Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel to dissect the new iPhone 11 models. They delve into the review process, discussing pressures around iPhone launches and the impact of camera innovations on photography. The duo critiques the RAW image quality and iOS 13 bugs, while passionately comparing battery life and display technologies. They emphasize the evolution of tech journalism and Apple's design journey, providing insights on informed consumer choices.