Fun fact - you may not know Steve recently took up boxing as a positive and fun way to exercise and every inch of him was hurting when he sat down with us to record. Steve is another CHOLearning.org buddy Ken and I met this year and didn't nearly get to spend enough time with him, and this won't be the only time we chat with him with the microphone recording. He has a wonderful sense of humor and a genuine humility when it comes to talking about how nervous he was before getting on stage (at CHOL) and adding a whole segment on HOP and why humor is important. If you're an American (like me), that loves awesome accents and dialects, you're in for a treat!

It's fun to be the "weird safety guy"!

New KPI suggestion: How many Christmas parties do you get invited to?

From Ken: Has anybody asked if the workers even know what they did was a violation? This could be a different starting point.

Recipe for an awesome chat:

Take one Scotsman and train him in HOP for ten years.
Plant him in Australia assisting High Reliability Operations.
Give him stand up comedy lessons.
Invite him for a talk about anything!

Please check out the amazing people doing amazing things on these podcasts we listen to and love:

Leading Safely Podcast with Georgina Poole
Punk Rock Safety with Ben Goodheart, Dave Provan, and Ron Gantt
Counter-Errorism in Diving: Applying Human Factors to Diving with Gareth Lock
The HOP Nerd with Sam Goodman
A HOP Podcast (With No Name) with Andrea Baker and Matt Florio
Health & Safety Conversations with Tom Bourne
Pre-Accident Investigations with Todd Conklin
Safety on Tap with Andrew Barrett
(Not HOP-related, but an AMAZING untold history podcast) The Missing Chapter Podcast with Philip Horrender and Phil Schoff

Why is the UK Ministry of Defence hiring sci-fi writers?