Finding joy in daily living

In this episode, host Hanif Upturaki interviews poet and writer Maggie Smith. They discuss the concept of 'Small Joys' and how daily pleasures can be obscured by the challenges of the outside world. Maggie shares how the pandemic changed her diet and led her to start eating more vegetables and fruits. They also talk about the lifestyle changes they've made during the pandemic, such as cooking more and spending quality time with family. Overall, the conversation explores finding joy and maintaining optimism amidst difficult times.