Getting Unstuck – Cultivating Curiosity 328: Exploring Solutions with Curiosity on the Path of Visionary Leadership
Having been named 'the da Vinci of Visionary Leadership' by many leading authorities of our time, Oleg is considered #1 in the world in the field of vision and visionary leadership.
He is the author of The Fisherman's Path to Leadership, The Vision Code, Leaderology, and other books.
My co-host, Rich Gassen, works as a print shop supervisor at UW-Madison, where he focuses on empowerment, creativity, and process improvements with staff. He also chairs the Campus Supervisors Network (CSN), a community of practice at the UW supporting supervisors in their roles by offering training and networking events, a weekly newsletter, and a website. Rich is an avid reader, sharer, and practitioner of leadership.
SummaryOleg Konovalov, an expert in vision leadership, shares his insights on cultivating curiosity and leadership. He distinguishes between two types of curiosity: "curiosity to know" and "curiosity to explore." The latter is more valuable, as it allows leaders to go beyond surface-level information and develop practical solutions to complex problems. Oleg emphasizes the importance of vision, which he sees as a space in the future defined by the value we create for people, rather than just lofty goals or wishes. He stresses that true leaders must be able to read "weak signals" and explore their own limits to better serve their people. Oleg also discusses the role of peace, connectedness, and love in effective leadership, arguing that leaders must be at peace with themselves and their people to unlock their full potential. Overall, Oleg's perspective highlights the need for leaders to move beyond ego-driven strategies and cultivate a heart-centered, exploratory approach to guiding their organizations into the future.
Three Major Ideas:
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The need to distinguish between "curiosity to know" and "curiosity to explore"
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The importance of vision as a space in the future defined by value creation, not just goals
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The role of peace, connectedness, and love in effective leadership
Oleg uses an extended analogy between fishing and leadership throughout the conversation. Here are the key elements of the fishing analogy that Oleg draws:
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Reading Weak Signals: Oleg compares effective leadership to fishing, where leaders need to be skilled at reading "weak signals" - the subtle cues and indicators that aren't immediately obvious, similar to how a skilled fisherman can detect the presence of fish in the water even when they can't be directly seen.
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Adaptability and Handling Changing Conditions: Just as a fisherman must constantly adapt their techniques and lures based on changing weather, water conditions, and fish behavior, Oleg says effective leaders must be able to nimbly adapt to fast-changing realities and challenges.
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The Journey, Not the Destination: Oleg likens leadership to a journey or "path" rather than reaching a final "finish line" or destination. Like fishing is an ongoing activity without a clear endpoint, Oleg emphasizes that leadership is a continuous process of growth, exploration and adapting to new circumstances.
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Revealing Greatness: Oleg states that the role of a leader is to "reveal the greatness" in their people, similar to how a skilled fisherman can bring out the full potential of the fish they are trying to catch.
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-oleg-konovalov/
About Jeff
Jeff Ikler is the Director of Quetico Leadership and Career Coaching. "Quetico" (KWEH-teh-co). He works with leaders in all aspects of life to identify and overcome obstacles in their desired future. He came to the field of coaching after a 35-year career in educational publishing. Prior to his career in educational publishing, Jeff taught high school U.S. history and government.
Jeff has hosted the "Getting Unstuck—Cultivating Curiosity" podcast for 5 years. The guests and topics he explores are designed to help listeners think differently about the familiar and welcome the new as something to consider. He is also the co-host of the Cultivating Resilience – A Whole Community Approach to Alleviating Trauma in Schools, which promotes mental health and overall wellness.
Jeff co-authored Shifting: How School Leaders Can Create a Culture of Change. Shifting integrates leadership development and change mechanics in a three-part change framework to help guide school leaders and their teams toward productive change.