Secrets and Spies Podcast: Espionage | Global Issues | Current Affairs S10 Ep4: Syria After Assad with Aaron Zelin
Sep 27, 2025
In this discussion, Aaron Zelin, a senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, reflects on his recent trip to war-torn Syria and his meeting with President Ahmed al-Sharaa. He reveals Sharaa's transformation from a jihadist leader to head of state. The conversation dives into the precarious balance of power amid sectarian violence, Israel’s military actions, and the looming threats from Kurdish forces. Zelin also provides insights on reconstruction challenges, economic revival prospects, and critical indicators to watch as Syria navigates its uncertain future.
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Unexpected Meeting With President Sharaa
- Aaron Zelin described arranging a surprise meeting with President Ahmed al-Sharaa after a DM turned into an official invitation.
- He spent about two and a half hours with Sharaa at the presidential palace and found him surprisingly frank and confident.
Transformation From Jihadist To Ruler
- Sharaa evolved from a Nusra-linked commander into a pragmatic, authoritarian leader who distanced from global jihadism.
- HTS's gradual governance reforms, ceasefires, and outreach helped normalize their rule before they toppled the regime.
Sharaa Projects Confidence And Openness
- Sharaa presented confidence, claiming ruling is easier now than when confined to Idlib due to greater resources and international ties.
- He acknowledged external threats like Israeli strikes but projects control and openness to foreign engagement.