Regular listeners and readers of my blog will know my sustainability leadership workshops and one of the participants of the first, Evelyn (she's in the video on that link). After being the teaching assistant for a couple cohorts, she is leading this winter's session.

Often when I talked to her about leadership, she would comment, "We do that in social work too, but we call it" . . . and she'd mention a practice she was learning while getting her Masters in Social Work at Howard University. I'd heard of social work, but didn't know what people in the field did.

She put me in touch with one of her professors, Stephen. We had a great conversation talking about the overlap between leadership and social work, which led me to invite him on the podcast. Here he speaks about

• Social work
• The overlap of personal action and change with systemic change
• Influencing without authority,
• The need to live the values you want to evoke in others
• The need for experience where you want to influence

and more.

Doing the Spodek Method, he picked up on it and took great interest, as I read, seeing its practicality in and applicability in social work.

• Stephen's profile page at Howard University

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