#035 - A Veteran of the Container Wars on the Past, Present, and Future of Cloud Native with Dan Ciruli (Nutanix)

This episode of "Kubernetes for Humans" features Dan Ciruli, a Senior Director of Product Management at Nutanix, who shares his journey in tech and his perspective on the evolution of cloud-native technologies. Ciruli discusses his early career as an engineer and his transition to product management, noting that the role was not well-defined in the 1990s. He recounts his experiences with startups, Google, and D2IQ (formerly Mesosphere), highlighting the rise of Docker and projects like Mesos. He emphasizes that the creation of the CNCF and support from major tech companies were key factors in Kubernetes becoming the dominant platform, stating "the CNCF was really the genius". Ciruli also explains that D2IQ pivoted to Kubernetes to focus on making it more usable for enterprises.

Ciruli discusses Nutanix's acquisition of D2IQ to enhance their container management offerings. He explains that Nutanix, founded by ex-Google engineers, sought to expand beyond VMs and needed a "good container story". According to a survey he references, 92% of companies running Kubernetes in production do not want developers managing infrastructure, and 86% of companies want to run VMs and containers on the same infrastructure. Ciruli predicts that the Kubernetes API will be the future, with various implementations and that the ultimate success for Kubernetes will be when the specific implementation does not matter. He believes the API will enable declarative deployment of applications across different environments, and notes that "the API will have lots of different implementations, but that will be that declarative deployment of applications".