We start talking about walled gardens and the momentum and push that causes us to get into vendor active environments in this episode. This is going to be a multi-part discussion where we look at the drivers of AI in the future. In this case, we used up a lot of time before this recording talking about Kubernetes and what's next for Kubernetes and containers, as well as how that ecosystem has been shaping up. This conversation is about the wall gardens that could be broken down, and in some cases, have actually been built taller because of containerization and Kubernetes and infrastructure and how infrastructure works. After that background before going into the discussion, we pick it up on how these ecosystems and walled gardens are self reinforcing as well as chinks in the armor that will allow us to go back to interoperable standards. Transcript: https://otter.ai/u/oZiuGGiJwjsvycVosq4FA7-r4gc?utm_source=copy_url