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Microsoft AI CEO: The AI Future You’re Not Ready For

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Aug 26, 2025

Mustafa Suleyman, CEO of Microsoft AI and co-founder of DeepMind, dives into the rapidly evolving world of artificial intelligence. He discusses the concept of agentic AI, which can plan and act autonomously, and debunks myths about AI's capabilities, including the intriguing nature of hallucinations being features instead of bugs. Suleyman shares insights on integrating AI into daily tasks and the competitive landscape of software innovation, revealing how anyone can develop products in minutes, transforming the future of technology.

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Adapting To The Copilot Era

Microsoft must adapt culture and business models to the Copilot, agentic-AI era.
Mustafa sees the co-pilot shift as a fundamentally different mindset for the company.

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Practical Impact Over Abstract AGI

Mustafa shifted from AGI obsession to practical user impact over 15 years.
He values systems that live alongside daily workflows like a smartphone or the internet.

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No Single Training Wall

The so-called training-data wall was overcome by multiple approaches, not just more compute.
Teams use synthetic data, model-to-model feedback, and efficiency gains to continue capability growth.

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Episode 73: What’s really holding back the future of AI—and are we truly prepared for what comes next? Matt Wolfe (https://x.com/mreflow) is joined by Mustafa Suleyman (https://x.com/mustafasuleyman), legendary AI innovator, co-founder of DeepMind, former founder of Inflection AI, and now CEO of Microsoft AI, where he’s leading the massive Copilot transformation.

This episode unpacks the myths around AI’s “training wall,” whether hallucinations are actually a feature instead of a bug, the dawn of the agentic era—where AIs don’t just chat, but plan and act for you—and the shifting landscape for software builders as anyone can ship products in minutes. Mustafa also shares firsthand stories and practical advice for leveraging today’s AI—from offloading tasks to agents THIS WEEK, to why moats aren’t about headcount or credentials in the new era.

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Show Notes:

(00:00) AI Insights with Mustafa Suleyman
(03:31) Adapting AI Amid Data Challenges
(07:31) Technology's Misleading Terminology
(12:16) Tool Use Defines Human Progress
(15:49) Revolutionizing Code with AI Tools
(16:31) Competitive Innovation Boom Ahead

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Mustafa Suleyman: https://mustafa-suleyman.ai/
Microsoft AI: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/ai
DeepMind: https://deepmind.google/
Inflection: https://inflection.ai/

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