In part two of this powerful conversation, Pastor Chris Hodges is joined again by Pastors Rich Wilkerson Jr. (VOUS Church, Miami) and Chad Veach (ZOE Church, Los Angeles) to talk about leadership, ministry, and the challenges pastors face today. From practical insights like weekly prayer gatherings and creating micro-communities, to the role of AI in the church, they share how presence, authenticity, and discipleship are shaping the future.

The conversation also gets vulnerable as they open up about spiritual warfare, personal struggles, parenting, and the importance of daily rhythms in God's Word.

With laughter, honesty, and wisdom, this episode will encourage leaders to stay grounded, keep growing, and embrace the calling God has placed on their lives.

Episode Resources:

Rich Wilkerson's Mature Me Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@richwilkersonjr
Chad Veach's Leadership Lean In Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@leadershipleanin

All Things GrowLeader:

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