Face-Off: The U.S. vs China

Espionage

May 7, 2024
Authors John DeLury and Nigel Inkster discuss China's espionage tactics and the US-China intelligence relationship. They delve into historical cases, the evolution of Chinese intelligence, challenges in monitoring Chinese activities, and China's unique intelligence structure. The podcast offers insights on global intelligence alliances and China's geopolitical influence.
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ANECDOTE

CIA Agents Captured in China

  • Two CIA agents John Downey and Richard Fekto were captured and imprisoned for 20 years after their plane was shot down in 1952.
  • Their mission was to rescue a CIA operative in China, but it turned into a prolonged ordeal illustrating Cold War espionage dangers.
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Shift in Intelligence Dynamics

  • The U.S. intelligence community now primarily plays defense against China's espionage efforts.
  • China's spying approach is vast and well-resourced, making even obvious spy attempts, like the weather balloon incident, look minimal.
INSIGHT

China's Federated Espionage System

  • China’s Ministry of State Security (MSS) operates a federated system with provincial bureaus targeting specific regions.
  • These bureaus specialize in espionage against particular countries or areas, a unique intelligence structure.
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