Pain and suffering: How do they draw us closer to the presence of Jesus? Lisa welcomes her friend and spiritual hero, Joni Eareckson Tada on the JOE show to talk about her latest release, The Practice of the Presence of Jesus: Daily Meditations on the Nearness of Our Savior. In this heartfelt conversation, they uncover how you can invite Jesus into every experience of daily life – big or small – and what kind of profound impact His presence can have on every situation.