Markets Learn to Manufacture Intelligence and Politics Modernizes (Nick Land, Meltdown, Sentence 3)
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May 9, 2025
The discussion dives into how markets are evolving to 'manufacture intelligence,' drawing on ideas from Hayek and Mises. Historical stock markets exemplify this trend. Political modernization is portrayed as an attempt to manage uncontrollable market forces, highlighted through examples like Soviet collectivization and American political paranoia. The implications of AI advancement are also explored, especially regarding calls for governance and oversight, alongside concepts like 'Politically Organized Defensive Systems' in relation to emerging intelligence.
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Markets as Intelligent Systems
Markets are intelligent systems that synthesize and aggregate decentralized local information.
This intelligence is technically specifiable, making markets literally smarter than individuals.
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Early Amsterdam Stock Market Example
The earliest stock market in Amsterdam exemplified how prices reflected real-time intelligence like news and rumors.
Stockbrokers raced to gain knowledge first, showing early market intelligence competition.
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Political Reaction to Market Intelligence
Politics reacts to markets' intelligence by modernizing and increasing paranoia to try to maintain control.
Political systems struggle to keep pace with dynamic market intelligence, leading to reactive and often desperate attempts to exert control.
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This episode unpacks the third sentence from Nick Land's "Meltdown."
"As markets learn to manufacture intelligence, politics modernizes, upgrades paranoia, and tries to get a grip."
What does it mean for markets to "manufacture intelligence"? Drawing on Hayek and Mises, we discuss how this phrase is not merely a figure of speech. The earliest stock markets around the year 1600 illustrate the concept.
We then consider the reaction of politics to this ascendant market intelligence. Much of political modernism, along with its heightened paranoia, is an attempt to cope with or "get a grip" on forces it cannot control. We discuss examples from Soviet collectivization to the "paranoid style" in American politics.
The idea finds surprising applicability in the contemporary debate around Artificial Intelligence. As AI accelerates, familiar calls for control and "safety" emerge. Referencing Land's "Machinic Desire," we discuss "Politically Organized Defensive Systems" (PODS) and their core rule: "the outside must pass by way of the inside." This is what's going on when it comes to AI governance and the push to centralize oversight of a rapidly escalating new form of intelligence.
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