In this episode, we conclude our exploration of Clayton Crockett's book 'Energy and Change: A New Materialist Cosmotheology',  speaking with Clayton Crockett himself to clarify and extend several ideas in this important book. 
Buy the book: http://cup.columbia.edu/book/energy-and-change/9780231206112
Music for This Episode: 
Exhausted Divinity, Niky Nine
Conversion, Broad Sky