Matt calls Brett McCracken in L.A. to congratulate him on the Dodgers & Laker's championships and has a conversation about his new book, The Wisdom Pyramid: Feeding Your Soul In A Post-Truth World. They also chat about good and bad Christian art and Brett provides some music and film recommendations. Season 4 of The Deep Thoughts Podcast engages deep thinkers on some of their deepest of thoughts so listeners can explore aspects of the Christian faith a little more deeply. *Incredibly, no deep thinkers were harmed in the making of this podcast…yet. 

ABOUT: BRETT MCCRACKEN Brett’s latest book, The Wisdom Pyramid comes out February 2021. He also authored, Uncomfortable; Gray Matters; Hipster Christianity; and is a senior editor for The Gospel Coalition. He regularly reviews music and movies and makes recommendations. Here’s Songs to Help Kids Love God: 14 Artists to Know; Quality Christian Music: 15 Artists to Watch; The 15 Best Films About Faith from the 2010s; and 30 Edifying Things to Watch When Stuck at Home — which he curated early on in the pandemic. Brett and his wife, Kira, live in Santa Ana, California, with their two sons. They belong to Southlands Church, where Brett serves as an elder. You can follow him on Twitter. In the episode, Brett recommended Jon Guerra’s new album, Keeper of Days. Matt’s been listening to it non-stop since and now they both highly recommend it.