Sam McPheeters, writer and former punk singer, talks about hardcore, Toni Morrison, Victorian-age explorers, George Washington, his hatred of poetry, and more including the Cro-Mags.
Sam McPheeters' book, Mutations, is essential reading for punk history.
Books like 'Jazz' and 'Blue's People' have influenced McPheeters' writing and perspective on punk and hardcore music.
McPheeters strongly dislikes poetry and finds it self-indulgent and difficult to comprehend.
Deep dives
Sam McPherders' Memoirs and Writing Career
Sam McPherders, the co-founder and co-lyricist of hardcore punk band Born Against, discusses his musical journey and transition into writing. He shares how his band, known for their politically confrontational lyrics, stood out from other hardcore bands of the 90s. After the band's breakup, Sam joined Men's Recovery Project and started writing zines about his experiences on tour. Over the years, he expanded his writing career, publishing novels, short fiction, and even editing his first nonfiction collection, Mutations, specifically about hardcore and punk music. Though initially reluctant to write about his Born Against days, Sam's book is considered an essential read in punk history.
Sam McPherders' Book Recommendations
Sam McPherders discusses some of his favorite books, including 'Jazz' by Toni Morrison, 'Blue's People: Negro Music in White America' by Leroi Jones, and 'How Music Works' by David Byrne. He praises the profound language and storytelling in 'Jazz' and 'Blue's People,' which deeply resonated with him. He also finds inspiration in David Byrne's unique take on music in 'How Music Works.' These books have influenced his own writing and helped shape his perspective on the punk and hardcore music scenes.
Sam McPherders' Thoughts on John Updike and Poetry
Sam McPherders shares his thoughts on John Updike's writing, mentioning that the language and storytelling in Updike's books, especially 'The Rabbit' series, greatly resonated with him. Sam also discusses his dislike for poetry and how he has never found an appreciation for it, expressing strong aversion towards the genre.
Struggling with Poetry
The speaker discusses their personal struggle with understanding and appreciating poetry. They compare poetry to a noise band, finding it self-indulgent and difficult to comprehend. They express a desire to like poetry but feel frustrated and misunderstood. They also explore the difference between conveying emotions through music and conveying ideas through poetry.
The Benefits of Writing Stoned
The speaker shares their experience of writing while under the influence of marijuana. They explain that it helps them gain a new perspective and act as a good editor, noticing falsities and making corrections. They find that while most of the writing done while stoned is garbage, there are moments of genuine insight and unique observations that they wouldn't have accessed otherwise.
On this episode, the writer and former punk singer Sam McPheeters talks with Apology founder and editor Jesse Pearson about hardcore, Toni Morrison, Victorian-age explorers, George Washington, his hatred of poetry, and lots more including, of course, the Cro-Mags.
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