Conversations with Cam RERUN - Creating Equal Partners Through Division of Labor with Eve Rodksy
In this episode (originally aired on 6/5/24), I sit down with Eve Rodsky, creator, founder, and author of Fair Play: a life-management and household organization system. Eve and I discuss her feminist upbringing and how her experiences in the corporate world were inhospitable to motherhood, how she created the Fair Play system and why a “blueberry text” from her husband was the catalyst, and why it’s essential to change from the reactive to the systematic when implementing change. Eve talks about the burden of invisible work that women so often take upon themselves in the home, she explains how the Fair Play cards work, and we discuss listener feedback on the most difficult parts of the mental load. Finally, we talk about why it’s so hard to have these conversations with our partners, what defines a “unicorn space” versus other types of fun, and why it is essential for our happiness and longevity to create “I can’t fucking believe I just did that” moments in our lives.
Key Takeaway / Points:
Why I recommend Eve’s method to anyone who will listen
On “Fair Play,” Eve’s life-management and household organization method
Eve’s upbringing in a post-70s feminist wave
Eve’s experience as a young mother in the corporate world
Why America isn’t designed to support mothers
On the goal of being consistently interested in your own life
Why “hobbies” are not serving us
The “blueberry text” that led to Eve creating the Fair Play system
On changing from the reactive to the systematic
On invisible work and “The Shit I Do” spreadsheet
A deep dive into how the Fair Play cards work
Listener feedback on the most difficult parts of the mental load
Why it’s so difficult to have these conversations
Why society views women’s time as infinite
On the sanctity of “unicorn space”
On creating “I can’t fucking believe I just did that” moments for yourself
Stream the Fair Play documentary on Hulu HERE
Read Fair Play HERE
Buy the Fair Play card deck HERE
Watch this episode on YouTube HERE
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